ANY TEACHERS ON? Can someone explain about teacher's pay and holidays to me please.

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I should know this, being a teacher.
I know that teacher's don't get paid for all their holidays, but does anyone know the exact figures?

Yes I know it's a boring question and it's Saturday night, but someone must know.

I thought teachers did there annual pay is just averaged out IYSWIM
I think I've heard TAs aren't paid for the holidays

Teachers get an annual salary, and have to work 180 days, which fall during term time, unsurprisingly.

Yes I think teachers get paid for the holiday but all other staff eg: TAs, office staff etc don't as 1dilemma says their pay is averaged out.

Teachers get paid to work 195 days per year. This includes 5 INSET days, plus included in the figure are any parents' evenings. Therefore they aren't technically paid for any of the holidays. However, the annual pay is divided by 12 so you get an even spread of money throughout the year so you still receive a paycheque at holiday time. HTH

colander is right

colander - as you're obviously an expert on these things - could you tell me how many hours we're contracted to work in a week? I'm on a part time contract and paid a certain number of hours, which I'm not sure matches up with the percentage of the week mentioned on my contract.

Colander is right about the pay, if you have a contract.
If you supply teach you fill in a time sheet and get paid for the hours that you actually work; this works out at a higher rate per hour but you don't earn anything in the holidays. A contract is better (even for a couple of days a week) because it is divided by 12 and you get a pay cheque for holiday months.
I don't think there is much point in knowing how many hours you are contracted to work in a week foofi because you have to do many more to cope in the classroom.I think that for every hour in the classroom you need an hour for preparation and marking. I work 4 mornings. On my day off I work all day on planning and on the days that I work mornings, I work all afternoon at home doing the marking and preparing for the next day. The only good thing about it is that I then have the evenings free and I don't do any at weekends. When working full time I worked every evening and all day Sunday.
I work part time becasue I want to have a life outside work!

Teachers don't have contracted hours,. They are expected (contractually) to spend sufficient time to do the work to a satisfactory standard

Teachers don't have contracted hours,. They are expected (contractually) to spend sufficient time to do the work to a satisfactory standard

Teachers don't have contracted hours,. They are expected (contractually) to spend sufficient time to do the work to a satisfactory standard

Thankyou, I get it now. I always thought the inset days weren't included in teacher's pay so they were in fact unpaid.

There is a concept of 'directed time' which is the minimum you have to work. This will include things like parents' evenings as well as actual school days.

Which is why it is faintly irritating at ISET time when mnetters post 'Why can't those lazy teachers do their training in their holidays which are too long as it is!!!!!'

Yes I'll have an answer for the comments now that I know the facts!

There is a set number of hours teachers have to work a year and included in that is parents evenings etc. Cant remember how many though. It's a farce anyway as the reality is far more.

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AbbeyA - I think you misunderstood me. There is a daily number of hours on which part time work is calculated. In my case, I have been told that for my .46 contract, I am being paid for 15 hours, and I want to know if this is correct. (Obviously I'm there for rather more than 15 hours!!!)

give payroll a ring, my lot were really good at helping me out.

When I did supply I got paid 6 hours. I have to say, I was in school working for more than those 6 but that was the rate.

Payroll is now done by the school itself rather than centrally, which is why I want to check what they're saying. Actually have found a couple of LEAs' websites (not mine)where they are saying 6.5 hours per day, so it looks like they might be telling me the truth!

If you're all still there I have a question - if we're only paid for the hours we work. Why when I took Mat leave (May til Nov) so including most of the hols) did I lose the whole 6 monts pay - wouldn't this mean I was entitled to some of the hols? It's a complicated issue isn't it?

I am on contract for 2 days a week so get o.4 x annual salary for full time

when I work supply days I am paid at a slightly higher rate . A day is 6.5 hours unless your school doesn't pay the standard rate.

I think as MB says you are paid to do the job rather than a limited or restricted number of hours a year. So if say the employer changed things so there was a 5 term year or 10 hour day or 4 week only summer holiday you would still have to do the work although I am sure the unions would have something to say about that. Lots of jobs do not pay for over time in the UK and there is no obligation to do so unless your contract says so. So when for example my husband's school stopped having Saturday school teachers who worked on Saturdays had a contract change to reflect that. But things like the expectation to go away on school trips or to work 4 nights a week when a school concert was coming up or take sports at weekends if there are matches were all just part of the deal and not over time issues.

Plenty of workers will work all night in the City when a big deal comes up and do an extra 10 hours in 24 but not get paid overtime but the secretaries the non professionals as it were would be paid per hour of over time. I suppose that's the distinction in schools - teachers, professionals on annual full time salaries do not have set hours but class room assistants would be paid for the time they did.

I expect the answer lies buried in teachers' contracts so start by looking at that.

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So how much does that work out an hour?