Question for those who use CPOMs

[ThomasWaghornsConeHat]

If you use cpoms, does the system date and timestamp the date entries are made?

So if you had a incident on the Friday but you didn't enter it until the following Monday. Does the system show or record this?

You can adjust the date on it.

You can change the date and time, if you don’t it automatically puts the time it is logged.

I suspect it does date stamp when you’ve actually written the incident up, though.

Don’t use it in my current school but from what I remember, yes - the log is time stamped (and SLT/DSL/whoever is set up on the school system) should get a notification saying it has been added but you can manually amend the date of the incident.

Edits are timestamped too, I believe.

Yes, the date and time of the post goes with the comments. However, I frequently amend timings as often posts end up out of sequence when 2-3 people are commenting on different parts of the same event You can see edits including timings in the post history however.
So, if an incident happens on Friday but isn’t reported until Monday, it will say Monday unless it is edited. Depending on settings, there may only be a small number of people who can edit- our teachers can’t edit but the DSL and DDSL can.

Thanks all. So you can retrospectively add entries. But will it show somewhere that is retrospective? So incident is on Friday but you add it it Monday, you log it as happening on the Friday before. But you see it wasn't entered until the Monday?

And the alert to others ‘tagged’ will only be sent when you enter the information.

The system also logs who signed in and when.

Why do you need to know?

Yes it does. You sound like you want to pretend you put something in on the Friday but you didn’t do it until the Monday. Just be honest. It’s best all round.

I'm a parent. Been given cpoms entries for the year 4 days ago. One cpoms entry in a year. Can see that as date range searched from March 24 - March 25. So not just printed off one incident. Its all of them.

school has since written a report saying there has been dangerous aggrsive behaviours increasing over the year. Not sure how they cann say serious uptick in incidents unless they suddenly remember the print off and retro add more. The one cpoms was where another child kicked off and dc witnessed it. Ie its not dcs incident. Either way 1 isn't an increasing number..

To prompt the question yes dc has been a little shit in the past. But report is talking about now.

But equally I could be a LSA who was punched by a pupil and suspect cpoms wasn't updated to keep the figures low for governors. Then put in once I press the DSL about it. I just want to know how easy it is to retro fiddle the numbers.

@ThomasWaghornsConeHat some schools also have behaviour logs. It depends how they use CPOMS and what they record on here and elsewhere.

Why would leaders be keeping numbers low for governors? ( governors do not see CPOMS) Have you asked for copies of the public minutes of governors meetings to check the number of behaviour incidents reported?

We don't log pupil behaviour on CPOMs, only safeguarding incidents. Has your child been getting sanctions for dangerous behaviour? That may be recorded on a different system. But then you should have also been aware?

So there are a few things here:

• As PPs say, CPOMs is not always used for behaviour. There may be separate behaviour logs.
• CPOMs report printouts wouldn't say when the incident was logged, no. It is possible, inside the system, to see when they are logged. Only DSLs usually have access at this level.
• What was the purpose of the report? Is it a standard school report? Or in relation to them making a referral for support for SEN? Or because you asked?
• Do you have reason to believe they would want to lie about your son's behaviour?

I'm not sure what you mean about an LSA who has been punched, as governors do not get involved at this level, and the LSA should be logging incidents like this themselves, rather than the DSL.

On my school 1 entry in a year on CPOMS means 1 safeguarding concern in a year. Behaviour incidents would not be logged on CPOMS

Increasing cpoms is increasing behaviors at my school.

Eg I was told at parents evening last year they had ten in week. But no trigger to socail care, neither was I told of any... until parents evening.

Governors are not given information about individual children, though Safeguarding Governors are privy to more information. So there is no incentive to try and fiddle those figures in that way. Figures aren’t looked at in isolation, you’d be looking at triangulating data, so if this then what else?

As PP’s have said if there is no record on CPOMs are they using another method of recording behaviour incidents?
TBH, if they have documented none of this, then they aren’t going to have much to seek help with, and further little justification for any interventions.

So you need to ask where the behavioural incidents that they are talking about are recorded.

Either way, given what you have said about DCs history, does it seem likely that the school are lying about their behaviour?

And if not, then what are YOU going to do about it? I often think parents forget that this is partnership working. Schools do what they can with a severe lack of resources. They need you to hold your end of the rope too.

When you say ‘my school’ do you work in a different school to your DS?

I work across a large number of schools. Not all use CPOMS as there are other electronic systems, not all use electronic systems, and not all record behaviours on any of the electronic systems.

Important that you have a wider view of the range.

As above, regarding the level of detail governors are entitled to. They should be examining patterns overtime and asking questions so that they can work with school leaders to support strategic planning to address evidenced, identified needs.

Your focus should be on your DS, as you have the personalised individual information that governors do not.

If you have concerns that incidents are not being dealt with, there will be a full complaints policy on the school(s) website, which gives all states of making an objective and evidenced complaint. The policy is in place to give fair process and stipulates timescales.