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BA Musical Theatre graduate career prospects

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Bubj · 06/03/2025 09:28

Does anyone have experience of how easy it is to get roles as a BA graduate in Musical Theatre from a top drama school? Is there enough work out there for these graduates? I suppose the upside is a BA graduate in MT can get acting, dancing, singing or teaching roles. Any thoughts or experiences would be very much appreciated.

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Bubj · 07/03/2025 19:50

lostinabook · 06/03/2025 12:47

I am a Talent agent and currently freelance at a drama school providing future career support.

Can they get auditions/work? Absolutely but hard work
Is it easier with an agent? Absolutely but not impossible without.

You don't need to have gone to the Drama schools mentioned. ArtsEd is well respected especially for MT

Feel free to PM for private advice or response

Thank you for the offer to PM you. When private messaging is enabled on this site, I might well do that.😊

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Bubj · 07/03/2025 20:06

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 06/03/2025 20:18

We're in a similar position - but with music. DD will graduate at 19 due to the path she's on as well. For girls I don't think that is a bad thing. Laine take dancers at 16 on their diploma for that reason.

If your DD is in this deep already then your job becomes one of providing support and advice and probably a home and help for a long time!

And yes there are people that make it. The fact that she's open to other professions around the industry is also a huge plus. Casting, becoming an agent - those have all actually appealed to me and lots of actors find that they rather like being the other side of the table.

Conti is definitely up there as a name that turns out well trained working actors, so I don't think you need worry on that front.

If she's already committed then I wish her lots and lots of luck. It is more for those who pondering the idea from a position of not having done a huge amount that I would say run away as fast as you can and convince them to become accountants or dentists instead!

Interesting you're in a similar position. What path is your DD taking? You mentioned she too comes from an MT background.

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OhCrumbsWhereNow · 07/03/2025 22:42

Bubj · 07/03/2025 20:06

Interesting you're in a similar position. What path is your DD taking? You mentioned she too comes from an MT background.

She going to study music composition and production.

DD has a great agent and access to high level triple threat training that she's been doing for years, so she will keep that up outside her courses. She works across a number of genres so that also adds flexibility.

I think being in the industry for so long, and especially having seen what has happened with Covid, SAG strikes and the general state of the industry (stage and screen) has meant that while her plan A is still very much performer focused, she's come up with a plan B that lends itself to potential employment doing something she really loves and that can be both extremely flexible, would potentially pay well enough to live on properly and open doors to lots of different things. And without having to give up the MT or the acting.

Bubj · 07/03/2025 23:01

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 07/03/2025 22:42

She going to study music composition and production.

DD has a great agent and access to high level triple threat training that she's been doing for years, so she will keep that up outside her courses. She works across a number of genres so that also adds flexibility.

I think being in the industry for so long, and especially having seen what has happened with Covid, SAG strikes and the general state of the industry (stage and screen) has meant that while her plan A is still very much performer focused, she's come up with a plan B that lends itself to potential employment doing something she really loves and that can be both extremely flexible, would potentially pay well enough to live on properly and open doors to lots of different things. And without having to give up the MT or the acting.

That's fantastic. It sounds like she is keeping lots of doors open and will end up with options. She's clearly very talented and has thought things through very carefully.

When I look at alumni and their spotlight, there seem to be so so many agents. Are there any stand out ones that DD should consider contacting when the time comes. Or do only the better ones come to final year showcases?

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OhCrumbsWhereNow · 07/03/2025 23:28

I don't really know much about how agents select from showcases I'm afraid. They will be looking in a different way from how they do when you're younger.

Finding the right agent is also very much about 'fit'. Do they have a DD shaped space on their books? Do they focus mainly on stage, or mainly on screen? Do you click when you meet them and are your needs and their offer compatible? Some agents have a more managerial style, others less so. On the whole you hear from them when you have auditions or are booking, but otherwise they generally have dozens on their books and time spent chatting/hand holding clients is time not spent subbing or pushing to get you seen. They are not your therapist or coach!

To get into good agencies outside the graduate shows, you need to fill a gap on the books and be able to show a track record of booking work (agents need to earn a living and the best way to show that you will make them money is to already have made money - another fun catch22 in the industry).

It's a miserable business finding one on the whole - unless you happen to have just been cast in the latest international blockbuster! Happily for graduates, plenty do attend showcases and so you have a captive audience rather than being the 200th representation request email in the inbox that week (yep, that is what the desirable agencies get every week).

The absolute top agencies - 42, United, Independent, Curtis Brown etc probably only take maybe 10 graduates on a year between them, and that's across all the different colleges. Those alumni pages are well worth looking through to see who is taking on from which colleges and whether they seem to have a 'type'.

It is well worth spending the time at college getting your head round the different agencies and who and what they rep. The best place to start is probably looking at the PMA list for who their members are. Then start working through individual agency websites to see what is what.

Look at West End casting lists - google the cast, who are they repped by etc. There's no short cuts but it will be very useful.

If you are a 19 year old with red curls, there is no point applying to an agency who already has two of those. If you are a blonde mezzo who fits a certain role type, apply to the agent that doesn't seem to have one. You need to look for the gaps that you fit.

Yes it will be weeks of work, but well worth the effort.

Write and invite them to attend things that you are in. Short letters that set out all the information very clearly and with a couple of weeks notice.

Make sure you have really good headshots ready for early Spring of final year (not the god awful ones that a lot of colleges seem to think are appropriate) - you may need to book 3-4 months in advance for the popular photographers. Again make sure that they are experienced headshot photographers and not model ones or portrait ones. It is a very specific art.

Annoyeddd · 08/03/2025 09:30

There seems to be no way in getting a job after graduation whatever subject you studied - people in early twenties are in for a pretty shit time for the next few years

fireplacetiles · 08/03/2025 09:42

Friend's daughter has a first from Cambridge and went to Mountview, got an agent straight away- she's a waitress and has been for 4 years.

Bubj · 08/03/2025 09:58

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 07/03/2025 23:28

I don't really know much about how agents select from showcases I'm afraid. They will be looking in a different way from how they do when you're younger.

Finding the right agent is also very much about 'fit'. Do they have a DD shaped space on their books? Do they focus mainly on stage, or mainly on screen? Do you click when you meet them and are your needs and their offer compatible? Some agents have a more managerial style, others less so. On the whole you hear from them when you have auditions or are booking, but otherwise they generally have dozens on their books and time spent chatting/hand holding clients is time not spent subbing or pushing to get you seen. They are not your therapist or coach!

To get into good agencies outside the graduate shows, you need to fill a gap on the books and be able to show a track record of booking work (agents need to earn a living and the best way to show that you will make them money is to already have made money - another fun catch22 in the industry).

It's a miserable business finding one on the whole - unless you happen to have just been cast in the latest international blockbuster! Happily for graduates, plenty do attend showcases and so you have a captive audience rather than being the 200th representation request email in the inbox that week (yep, that is what the desirable agencies get every week).

The absolute top agencies - 42, United, Independent, Curtis Brown etc probably only take maybe 10 graduates on a year between them, and that's across all the different colleges. Those alumni pages are well worth looking through to see who is taking on from which colleges and whether they seem to have a 'type'.

It is well worth spending the time at college getting your head round the different agencies and who and what they rep. The best place to start is probably looking at the PMA list for who their members are. Then start working through individual agency websites to see what is what.

Look at West End casting lists - google the cast, who are they repped by etc. There's no short cuts but it will be very useful.

If you are a 19 year old with red curls, there is no point applying to an agency who already has two of those. If you are a blonde mezzo who fits a certain role type, apply to the agent that doesn't seem to have one. You need to look for the gaps that you fit.

Yes it will be weeks of work, but well worth the effort.

Write and invite them to attend things that you are in. Short letters that set out all the information very clearly and with a couple of weeks notice.

Make sure you have really good headshots ready for early Spring of final year (not the god awful ones that a lot of colleges seem to think are appropriate) - you may need to book 3-4 months in advance for the popular photographers. Again make sure that they are experienced headshot photographers and not model ones or portrait ones. It is a very specific art.

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Thank you for your detailed response and for taking the time to do that. I appreciate your advice.

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TizerorFizz · 08/03/2025 10:41

@fireplacetiles She needs to fall back on the Cambridge degree then and look for a job that might value all her skills. Hanging on for a chance seems delusional now.

I do feel these theatre courses are selling dreams. Not reality for most. Any quick internet search brings up degrees in musical theatre from a myriad of providers. Like most degrees it has been allowed to mushroom beyond any reasonable need for MT graduates. Even Bucks New has a musical theatre degree! Why? It cannot be acceptable for so many dc to be so utterly disappointed after spending so much money.

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 08/03/2025 11:24

TizerorFizz · 08/03/2025 10:41

@fireplacetiles She needs to fall back on the Cambridge degree then and look for a job that might value all her skills. Hanging on for a chance seems delusional now.

I do feel these theatre courses are selling dreams. Not reality for most. Any quick internet search brings up degrees in musical theatre from a myriad of providers. Like most degrees it has been allowed to mushroom beyond any reasonable need for MT graduates. Even Bucks New has a musical theatre degree! Why? It cannot be acceptable for so many dc to be so utterly disappointed after spending so much money.

Unfortunately the colleges themselves are now an industry.

A close friend of mine who has been in the MT world for over 40 years used to work at one of the colleges. They left after a bust up over the auditions. Having seen 70 students, they were asked who should be offered and the answer was none as they felt there was no applicant who had a realistic chance of ever being at a level where they would secure work even with 3 years training, and they they would be saddling them with up to 100k of debt for a dream that they didn’t have the potential for. Better to disappoint by being realistic now than leading them on.

They were told that while the others agreed with the assessment, they had to pick at least 5 as the college needed bums on seats for funding. Morally this didn’t sit right and so they no longer work there.

TizerorFizz · 08/03/2025 13:18

@OhCrumbsWhereNow I agree. It's not morally right. These courses should not be degrees either. There's every need to train people for the theatre but these degrees are approved and have an awarding body. It's very wrong to mushroom like this. It's not the only area of study that has too many graduates either. However the possibility of related work for performing arts students is very low and it's one of the worst degrees for return on investment by student and parents (iFS looked at this).

Ubertomusic · 08/03/2025 17:07

I keep thinking about what you said about graduating earlier for girls OhCrumbs... Do you mind sharing your thoughts on this on the music thread? I can't tag you there for some reason but I would be interested to hear why you think it's not a bad idea and what would you do after that?

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 08/03/2025 17:21

Ubertomusic · 08/03/2025 17:07

I keep thinking about what you said about graduating earlier for girls OhCrumbs... Do you mind sharing your thoughts on this on the music thread? I can't tag you there for some reason but I would be interested to hear why you think it's not a bad idea and what would you do after that?

Is that in extra curricular?

Biscuitsneeded · 08/03/2025 17:26

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 06/03/2025 17:31

Mountview
Arts Ed
Guildford School of Acting (GSA)
Laines
Italia Conti

You want a high quality very selective agency.

Also depends if you only want to do MT or if you are interested in screen acting as well.

Graduating from one of those colleges means something in the sense that you should get good training and the more desirable agents are more likely to attend the showcase.

But when it comes to getting cast, nobody cares what piece of paper you had, or where you trained. It's all about being the right fit for the role. It's not even about being 'the best'. You could be the best dancer in the room but 2 inches too tall to fit with the other cast members. Or technically the best singer but you just don't look right for the role.

There are also plenty of successful MT performers who didn't go to college at all. Most of them were very successful child performers who just transitioned straight into adult work. Obviously most take classes, but they haven't spent 3 years at college.

In terms of what people do between jobs - teaching, waitressing, bar work, retail. Whatever is available and flexible.

You need to be incredibly resilient, hard-working and need to do this like you need to breathe. A huge amount of your time is sat waiting for an email with an audition, waiting to hear if you are recalled, waiting to hear if you are through to finals... and generally you only hear if you are through (so you spend your time trying to find out if others have been so that you can stop dreaming about it). MT slightly easier as they often cut in the room - literally ask 2/20 to stay behind and the rest can go.

Are you considering applying?
It's worth looking at just how few places a lot of colleges have - GSA have just 22 places on their MT course and iirc it was 4,000 applications this year.

Just to add, I speak as a parent of someone who was a West End child performer, has been training since they were 4 and is still aiming at this as a career but taking a slightly different route in order to have more options.

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This is all very good advice.

Ubertomusic · 08/03/2025 17:29

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 08/03/2025 17:21

Is that in extra curricular?

Sorry, yes this one www.mumsnet.com/talk/extra_curricular_activities/5274567-spring-summer-25-music-thread?page=5&reply=142711125

minnienono · 08/03/2025 17:32

I know 4 graduates in musical theatre, none work professionally (hairdresser, call centre, McDonald's and a London tour guide which does at least incorporate acting.

There's far more places on courses available than there are jobs, many at private centres which don't even attract government loans. They sell a dream, but if you are talented you don't actually need a degree in musical theatre, be honest, how good are you? Best in your local school? Taken part in local professional productions eg local Rep? Or starred in your school play? My advice to any youngster thinking about this route is to go to a reputable university so you get a proper accredited degree as a plan b, many jobs request "a degree in any subject"

Biscuitsneeded · 08/03/2025 17:34

NLseneca · 06/03/2025 10:46

If RADA, LAMDA or Guildhall, maybe. Otherwise v hard.

None of these are the best schools for musical theatre, if indeed they offer it at all. Look at GSA, Arts Ed, Mountview, Urdang etc.

Biscuitsneeded · 08/03/2025 17:41

pearbottomjeans · 06/03/2025 17:18

Yes, people in my post have had a positive experience.
The only person I know who is currently on the west end is a child, and her parent is a west end musician - a lot of it is who you know and was ever thus.
Unfortunately I think the path to success starts long before uni age - look at the output from Sylvia young etc

I don't agree with this. Know a fair few West End performers but they have got there by different routes. Only a few went the Sylvia Young/Tring Park route - it's not necessary. Normal secondary, dance and singing lessons outside school with possibly vocational 6th form eg Emil Dale or equivalents is sufficient, but then the challenge will be getting a place at a good MT school and then getting an agent upon graduating and getting work. A lot of this comes down to luck and look - all the grads from top schools have the talent. My Ds knows a lot of ex child performers who were in Matilda, Mary Poppins etc - they are of course very talented but have had no more and no less luck getting in to top schools and subsequently working in the field than those who applied at 18 with no track record behind them.

Bunnycat101 · 08/03/2025 19:58

I always love this example. I saw Laura on stage as Anna and was quite shocked when I’d read she’d come straight from training. That has got to be the dream for so many young people but is going to be the very rare exception.

www.spotlight.com/news-and-advice/the-industry/my-casting-story-laura-dawkes-frozen/

OnGoldenPond · 08/03/2025 20:07

NLseneca · 06/03/2025 10:46

If RADA, LAMDA or Guildhall, maybe. Otherwise v hard.

RADA doesn't even offer Musical Theatre. The top drama schools for Musical Theatre include Central, Arts Ed, Mountview, GSA. The others you mention are still in the top group but aren't THE top top for this (IYSWIM).

OnGoldenPond · 08/03/2025 20:35

Oh, I thought LAMDA and Guildhall did MT but it seems they don't.

CatkinToadflax · 09/03/2025 07:43

@OhCrumbsWhereNow thanks for incredibly helpful insight on this thread. DS2 is an actor (not MT) and some of his friends have already got into drama school. He is looking at widening his net slightly further and applying for a degree in drama and film/tv direction and production rather than solely acting. You and other posters on this thread are making me think this is a wise direction to go in.

frenella · 09/03/2025 07:58

I have worked as a musical theatre performer professionally for 30 years and I recommend anyone who is talented to go for it! What a life! Exciting, challenging, vibrant - and a great many wonderful people to work alongside. Be aware that you are going into sales and marketing- you are selling and marketing what you have to offer. You hustle, you don't wait for an agent to find you work, you create it yourself.
I love it. My colleagues love it. We're not rich but we make a living doing what we LOVE.

Partridgewell · 09/03/2025 08:13

My NDN won West End Calling a few years ago. She got down to the last two for the female lead in Dear Evan Hansen when she was 17. She went to the school I teach at, and she was so far and away the best on the stage that she looked like she'd come from a different world.

She is now 23 and has a BA in MT from Bird and a good agent. She is currently working in China at a large theme park. She's happy and has travelled the world, but she has had quite a few months between jobs, working ad hoc for companies like Stagecoach or sports coaching companies.

Her long term plan is to own her own dog walking business as she knows it's unlikely that she'll want to keep touring theme parks forever.

LoudSnoringDog · 09/03/2025 11:32

My son graduated from Bird last summer. He's had a few auditions but not had much joy. I seriously thought getting onto a cruise ship would be easy but no joy there. He's currently working in a local bar. I'm
Not sure what he will do longer term