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Independent School Review Cheltenham

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Bexter33 · 09/01/2025 16:12

Hi.
My daughter starts school this year and I’m quite keen to send her to an independent school. Having visited a few, the choice has been narrowed down to Richard Pate or Ashley Manor Prep. Ashley Manor is slightly more flexible in terms of before and after school care and transport provision which will be useful to accommodate my working hours. It is also slightly cheaper and allows for military discount which I would be eligible for. I loved the facilities and opportunities available to my daughter. I am equally impressed with Richard Pate and have a better “feeling” for it. However they are less flexible, no transport and are more expensive. But it also seems to be highly regarded in searches for top independent schools in the area, where I’ve not seen Ashley Manor Prep feature. As much as cost and flexibility are important, I mostly just want the best possible experience for my daughter.
I’m torn between the two and hoping a few reviews might help me sway in one direction more than the other.
Does anyone have any thoughts or experiences to share?

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scissy · 09/01/2025 17:51

It depends what you're looking for in a school I guess. However, the reason why you're not seeing much about Ashley Manor is because until 2022 it was known as St Edwards Prep so you might find more under that name? I don't think it's had long enough to build up a reputation under the new name. Locally they were advertising the change all over town when it happened.

MissyB1 · 09/01/2025 17:57

Ashley Manor was as pp said St Edwards prep, it was always a lovely school. They now prepare pupils for the grammar school test - which the old prep didn’t.

Richard Pates has a bit of a reputation for being a “hothouse”, with very competitive parents.

scissy · 09/01/2025 20:00

I should have been more explicit in my "what you want from a school". I know several people who sent their DC to Richard Pates and they were explicit that they were doing so due to its academic and 11+ reputation. It depends what you are after. Likewise I know another set of parents who chose a prep not on your shortlist because the environment suited their (HF ASD) DC.

Bexter33 · 10/01/2025 14:15

Thank you both. The St Edward’s name change makes sense as to why I can’t see much ref Ashley Manor. 11+ is something I’m hoping she would be able to successfully navigate, it would make huge difference to how I continue her education upon leaving. However, I 100 per cent think how comfortable she is in the learning environment will also have a huge influence on how she performs at school. I found Richard Pate slightly less overwhelming due to its size compared with Ashley Manor. That’s not to say my daughter will have felt the same.
I suppose I’m looking for any “warning signs” or things to consider that might help me split the difference, but appreciate everyone’s needs and wants are different and therefore answers wouldn’t necessarily relate to our desires and aspirations.

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PopPopMusic · 11/01/2025 11:25

No personal experience of either school but live in the area and know plenty of people who've had children at both and I've never heard anything negative about either. Maybe join some local FB pages and ask there also as you may find more parents.
One thing to consider with Richard Pates, especially if you have a busy work life is that getting in and out at drop off/pickup times can be a bit of a nightmare as it's just one road down to the school and it does queue all the way down.

evenmoredisposableusernames · 19/01/2025 08:41

Namechanging for this, as I don't want any parents linking my posts elsewhere!

Richard Pate is a lovely school, but it is, as others have said, quite aspirational and I think the kids tend to reflect that. It has always focused heavily on grammar admissions and independent entry, but they have been kind to a couple of friends whose sons have SEN, so they do go the extra mile when a child needs that in a way not all glossy schools will, to put it mildly. I have friends with kids there who speak really highly. Never heard anything bad.

Ashley Manor is now very academic too. They stream for maths and English and the top sets are working a year ahead - so, Yr 7 work for Yr 6, for example. They do a lot of grammar prep for those more able kids, and the work is all individually planned and delivered, whereas a lot of schools rely on the godawful White Rose. The curriculum is interesting, and they get all manner of opportunities and trips.

My daughter is there, and loves it. She's gifted - IQ of 154 sort of gifted - and I wouldn't send her somewhere unable to cater to that. She has been stretched and supported well academically and they offer a range of languages, for example, including Latin. But even more importantly she's got a good peer group who are really kind and inclusive, and there's a real innocence about some of them, which suits her well as she loves imaginative play still.

I think it depends what you want from a school, as both are great options. I think Richard Pate is glossier and more aspirational, whereas Ashley Manor offers a gentler, Swallows and Amazons sort of childhood where the kids race around beneath trees in parkland at playtime, and spot wild Muntjac deer. There's a mini farm with alpaca and chickens, and a garden the kids tend, as well as the science lab, art and drama studios, etc. Both are very well resourced, but without question the grounds and space at AM make it feel like a country option, even though it isn't. Richard Pate feels more like a city school.

I would be really happy to send my daughter to either, but I felt that Ashley Manor is gentler. It's kind to its bones in terms of staff and kids. There's exceptionally little bullying - there are several children in my daughter's class who were moved there from other schools for that reason, some who arrived in a pretty bad way, and are now thriving. They also have a couple of disabled kids who are quite vulnerable, and genuinely included and supported not just by the staff, but by the kids, too. I really love the teachers my daughter has had; Mrs Thomas, Mrs Hudson and Mrs Dewick are especially amazing.

Again, you can't really go wrong with either - AM just better suits my idea of what a childhood should be.

Treetops21 · 19/01/2025 12:14

Have name-changed for this for obvious reasons. Richard Pates is well known for its excellence in terms of outcomes and would certainly be the better choice of these two for a multitude of reasons. (Just to be clear, I don’t work for either of them!) Ashley manor used to be beautifully nurturing, but it changed ownership 2-3 years ago. Many staff left when they realised the implications.

Key questions to ask about independent schools, that parents might not think of. If you research these, you will come to a very clear answer to your question.

  1. Who owns them and what are their educations qualifications? (Anyone can set up a tiny independent school without qualifications and then claim school leadership experience! Shocking but true.)
  2. Who is on the board of governors/trustees? (If this is the same as the owner and their employees from the head office rather than parents and local people, it’s not an appropriate, objective board of governors!)
  3. Is it owned by a charity who ploughs profits back in to the school, or is it owned by an individual interested in profit? Not all ‘trusts’ are charitable trusts and some are owned by individuals.
  4. What are the recent accounts like on Companies House and is the school/business financially secure… if it’s part of a Trust, look at those accounts too.
  5. Does the school have a falling roll? (Look at previous ISI reports if you can’t get a straight answer from the school!) Small schools with lower fees are being dangerously affected by the recent vat increase.
  6. What are the ISI reports schools like - including those for the schools in the trust? (Are any schools not displaying their most up to date reports and if so why?!)
  7. Does the school or its owners have any court case reports published online and what do those reveal about them?

Ashley Manor is currently part of Alpha schools group, owned by an individual - look up his Jan accounts on companies house for Alpha Schools Holdings Ltd. Decent local choices would be Richard Pates, Dean Close prep or Kings in Gloucester. Hope that helps.

Annoyed851 · 29/01/2025 19:57

Just to throw it out there, have you looked around Berkhampstead? Wrap around care, very nurturing and a high percentage getting grammar schools. My daughter LOVES it

Lizreynolds · 12/09/2025 18:14

I thoroughly recommend AM.
It' s extremely accademic, sporty, friendly and nuturing. The 11 plus programme incredible without the need for an additional tutor (although some prefer to use both school and a tutor).
Parents friendly , welcoming and grounded.
A dog, a visiting local cat and a farm for animal lovers .

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