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St Michael Steiner School Feltham

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OneBiscuit · 02/10/2024 15:20

Does anyone have experience of the St Michael Steiner School in Feltham? I'm not particularly a Steiner fan, but wondering of it might be good for adopted daughter with SEN esp
attachment needs - would be good to know if anyone has direct experience . It had a bad Ofsted in 2019 but can't see one since then. I know safeguarding and behaviour is often an issue with Steiner - she would find lack of supervision very frightening.

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LeopardPrintIsANeutraI · 02/10/2024 15:21

Having been through the Steiner system myself as a child, I absolutely cannot recommend Steiner for children with SEN and didnt choose it for my own DC!

What exactly about it appeals to you?

OneBiscuit · 02/10/2024 15:50

That's so interesting - I slightly recoil from it myself for some of the reasons posted by other mums netters - I know it gets a bad rap generally on here - but I'm trying to be really open minded and think what's best for her! Can you explain exactly why you wouldn't choose it for your daughter?

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SerenityNowInsanityLater · 02/10/2024 16:02

I'm in the borough of Hounslow and looked into it as an option for one of my children (not my DS- ASD). Steiner schools can be almost what I'd call contraindicated for children with SEN. The support won't be there.

How old is DD, OP? If you're in the borough of Hounslow, have a look at Swan Centre attached to Strand on the Green Primary School (mainstream school). I worked there and would highly recommend it.
The other school that is mainstream with exceptional provision for SEN children is Cavendish Primary School in Chiswick.

https://www.strandjuniors.co.uk/About-The-Swan-Centre/

LeopardPrintIsANeutraI · 03/10/2024 07:07

OneBiscuit · 02/10/2024 15:50

That's so interesting - I slightly recoil from it myself for some of the reasons posted by other mums netters - I know it gets a bad rap generally on here - but I'm trying to be really open minded and think what's best for her! Can you explain exactly why you wouldn't choose it for your daughter?

It's a very rigid inflexible system. Yes, it's much prettier than mainstream UK schooling, and some of the stuff is actually great, like limiting screen time and a later start to reading/formal desk based learning. But they're completely inflexible when it comes to the needs of the individual child. If a child doesn't fit their mould, they basically think it's the child's fault. They don't question their approach, they just blame the child and try to "cure" them with bullshit and woo.

They also think stuff like SEN and disabilities is some sort of reincarnation karma.

And then with things like the later start to reading - yeah great, except that a child who can already read by 6/7 is considered spiritually damaged, isnt allowed books at school, and will be openly disapproved of by staff and pupils. So not as pretty as it seems on first glance.

Mainstream UK schools are actually much more flexible and responsive to the child they are dealing with. Even if they're underfunded and not as beautiful to look at!

OneBiscuit · 04/10/2024 10:32

Thanks so much for these thoughts. Really appreciate them. Getting it right for her is weighing very heavily on me - she's had such a terrible start to life, Just feel she deserves the best chance we can find for her. Her attachment needs are paramount, if she doesn't feel safe, she can't learn - which the EP has thankfully put at the top of her EHCP. We are in Richmond borough but willing to travel - if you can think of any great secondaries independent or maintained, please let me know. She needs small class size and understanding of trauma/attachment which rules a lot out.

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CurlewKate · 04/10/2024 10:44

Under no circumstances would I recommend a Steiner school. Particularly for a child with additional needs.

CurlewKate · 04/10/2024 10:46

@OneBiscuit Just so you're aware, there used to be a very vocal and organised Steiner lobby on Mumsnet. Do't know if it's still there....

CaptainOhMyCaptain · 04/10/2024 12:53

Have you looked at The Hall in Wimbledon?

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 04/10/2024 18:56

I’m not sure how old your DD is OP but I have heard wonderful things about Canbury school in Kingston, SEN school, not far from Richmond. This is an independent school from ages 11-18.
Very small classes and incredibly supportive.

https://canburyschool.co.uk/

AmMomInLdn · 23/01/2025 09:41

@SerenityNowInsanityLater So happy to hear that you recommend the Swan Centre. I'm looking at it for my DS. Would you recommend for a highly academically capable (possibly gifted) autistic child? He is 3 years old, can read, write and do adding/subtracting/multiplication/division. He does have social communication challenges -- very verbal but often too focused on his own interests (usually something to do with numbers) to engage with you. He is very sociable with adults and plays with his brother. All the other autism units I've looked at appear to have children with more severe needs and do not have an academic focus. I'm concerned he will become bored and dysregulated if he's not challenged. We're really torn between an autism unit or mainstream. Thanks in advance.

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 24/01/2025 11:56

AmMomInLdn
Thank you for such a kind post.

I really relate to your dilemma. I was in your position. My ASD son, who is now 10, attended mainstream school in the end mainly because his teacher at his nursery was the primary school's SEND lead and she was so dedicated to her support of my son and other SEN children at the nursery (which was attached to a primary school). That early years input, combined with group speech and language therapy (on the NHS, nothing fancy, just good, solid therapy), really helped set my son on a solid path. And what's more, I learned from his early years teachers, as well as his speech therapist, how I could better guide him.

But back to Swan Centre: Several of the children start out at Swan Centre then integrate later on into mainstream, which is lovely because the Swan Centre children play with the Strand/mainstream children and eat lunch with them. They're on the same premises so the move to mainstream is streamlined and very well supported by Strand teachers and Swan teachers alike.
I oversaw several pupils who attended Swan Centre in their early years (infants) and then integrated into Strand on the Green's mainstream school later on. It's something you can certainly talk to the head of Swan Centre about.
Your DS could start his early years at Swan Centre and move into mainstream if you and his teachers feel that would benefit him.

The good news is there are many mainstream schools that do offer enough support for children on the spectrum who need just a bit more buffering and compassion for their needs. I think if you can accept that there won't be much, if any, one-to-one in mainstream, and if you can accept that the teachers will need your guidance as to how they can help your DS throughout the day, bearing in mind that his needs will be individual to him, then mainstream can really work out well.

For my own DS, the one main thing he has required is space to decompress when the noise of the world around him gets too much. But at age 10, he's really learned what he needs to do in order to soften life's sharp edges. In his early years, sensory walks and sensory space were on offer all the time. And for him, that was enough. In order to cope with the stress of the long day, he just needed moments of Zen and school was great at offering him that. I've also, over the years, avoided things like after school clubs and anything that extends the school day beyond 3:30.
Since year 5, he no longer needs sensory walks or sensory space. But when it all gets too much, instead of staying on the playground, he may just sit on a bench or go in the library, seek out a safe space where he can go and think about Roblox!
I think what's helped is that we cycle to and from school every day or else walk (it's like a 45 minute walk) with the dog and we just talk to each other. I use the school run as a calm time to just shake the bugs off before the start of the day and shake the bugs off at the end of the day. Home is a quiet zone. In many ways, raising an ASD child has made me a better parent, certainly a more peaceful one. I realise that we all cope a bit better when he quiet the world around us.

I hope you come to a decision you're happy with. But definitely talk with Swan Centre about how they integrate their pupils into mainstream and what that looks like. They're very kind there. It's a wonderful SEN school.

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 24/01/2025 12:02

Sorry! I can't edit for some reason. I meant to write, "I realise that we all cope a bit better when WE quiet the world around us," not HE. 🙂

argyllherewecome · 26/01/2025 18:09

Although Steiner schools vary, it's important to note that the underpinnings of anthroposophy do not have a positive view of children with SEN, and I would worry that her being an adoptee might even be problematic for some who are very entrenched in the whole philosophy. You'd need to talk to staff at the particular school to get a feel of things. IME the schools do have teachers who aren't into the philosophy beyond 'it's so lovely and arty', but the more senior levels of management are usually drinking a lot of the kool aid, and I would expect them to view an adopted child with SEN and emotional difficulties as being the result of past life misdeeds.

Minuethippo · 26/01/2025 23:08

Sorry I don’t know much about Steiner schools or curriculum, however I used to attend toddler classes at the Steiner school in Feltham and it was the best toddler club. The other parents were so welcoming, many having older kids at the school and they spoke so highly of it. The staff member who ran the toddler group was equally wonderful. Perhaps you can go visit it and see what you think?

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