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Manage move

27 replies

Mg4real · 16/07/2024 11:18

Is it ok for a student to be suspended from school and awaiting being managed moved for 8 weeks running ( May till date).

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TheSquareMile · 16/07/2024 11:51

@Mg4real

What was the reason for the suspension?

How old is the student?

What kind of school is the move from and to?

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Mg4real · 16/07/2024 11:58

He’s 15. In year 10. He had a fight with another student for insulting mum. He’s been out of one suspension or the other. Some he deserved but others not worth sending him out. One of the teachers admitted he had been marked out when we pointed this out.

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Bluevelvetsofa · 16/07/2024 11:58

Has a managed move been agreed between the two schools?
Is there an EHCP?

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Mg4real · 16/07/2024 12:01

What is EHCP please.

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TheSquareMile · 16/07/2024 12:53

Mg4real · 16/07/2024 12:01

What is EHCP please.

@Mg4real

https://www.gov.uk/children-with-special-educational-needs/extra-SEN-help

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Mg4real · 16/07/2024 13:03

@TheSquareMile
Will check this EHCP out. Thank you

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TheSquareMile · 16/07/2024 13:06

@Mg4real

What was the fight about? It sounds a bit odd.

Re the new school, do you think that the move would be beneficial?

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Mg4real · 16/07/2024 13:16

@TheSquareMile
Normal exchange of words between students which led to use of words like "s....k" your mum.

I'm worried about the move as he's in year 10. It would take him time to settle in a new school before his exams in year 11.

It's also taken more than 2 months he has not been attending classes.

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fiddleleaffig · 16/07/2024 13:45

You don't manage move someone for a one off rudeness. To be managed moved the child would have been consistently disruptive and defiant and the school would have tried absolutely everything they could do to keep them in school. A managed move is a really last option.
The difficulty with being year 10, is trying to find a place for a disruptive child going into a very important year group, schools don't want to risk the impact it could have on the rest of the new classes/year groups exam grades. Hopefully you will get somewhere soon, but can you not look into tutors in the meantime?

As for the EHCP, there are massive delays on them so it's unlikely to be approved before the student has left school now so I wouldn't suggest applying for one.

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Mg4real · 16/07/2024 14:13

@fiddleleaffig
Yes you can get managed move for one off incidence. It happened in this school as well.

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twistyizzy · 16/07/2024 15:49

You don't get a managed move for a 1 off, it is a last resort and there must have been previous occurrences of poor behaviour. This is even more so in Yr 10.
Would recommend you get a tutor if you are concerned about him dropping behind.

fiddleleaffig · 16/07/2024 17:11

Mg4real · 16/07/2024 14:13

@fiddleleaffig
Yes you can get managed move for one off incidence. It happened in this school as well.

Do you work in a school?
I've worked in 4 secondary schools over the last 4 years and I have seen much much worse behaviour than insulting someone's mum. You won't get managed moved for that. It is a last resort where the school can no longer manage the students behaviour that they believe a fresh start elsewhere is the best option. You have to really justify to the school governors and the council why you are taking this action. It's not easy, and it won't be done lightly.

I think you are maybe in denial about your son's behaviour.

fiddleleaffig · 16/07/2024 17:13

Sorry I meant I've worked in 4 secondary schools, 2 in very deprived areas, over the last 8 years, not 4. I've seen a fair bit

cansu · 16/07/2024 17:15

What you describe is not a normal exchange. Kids are not usually suspended pending a managed move for a one off poor behaviour incident. You are clearly minimising.

napody · 16/07/2024 17:15

Mg4real · 16/07/2024 14:13

@fiddleleaffig
Yes you can get managed move for one off incidence. It happened in this school as well.

But you said he's been suspended several times? So it wasn't a one off for him?

Was it a physical fight?

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Mg4real · 16/07/2024 17:26

@napody
I wasn't actually referring to my son about been managed move on a one off as l stated he's been in trouble several times.

I was only responding to a statement that one can't get managed on a one off offence.

A student was managed moved last year in this same school on a one off incidence and this was reported to one of the councillors in the borough to look into.

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Teacherprebaby · 16/07/2024 17:28

Mg4real · 16/07/2024 17:26

@napody
I wasn't actually referring to my son about been managed move on a one off as l stated he's been in trouble several times.

I was only responding to a statement that one can't get managed on a one off offence.

A student was managed moved last year in this same school on a one off incidence and this was reported to one of the councillors in the borough to look into.

My advice would be teaching him to behave so these things do not reoccur in his new school. Work with the school on the managed move, it is always the option that works best for the child.

SuncreamAndIceCream · 16/07/2024 17:33

Has he been PEXd and had it rescinded?

It sounds like an illegal exclusion if he's not currently suspended as he should be in school.

If he is suspended should be receiving education after the first 5 days of suspension. That doesn't have to be at the same school but it should be somewhere.

Have the child's family contacted the local authority about it? Details of the exclusions team should have been given to the family by the school.

I feel like there's information missing.

napody · 16/07/2024 17:36

Mg4real · 16/07/2024 17:26

@napody
I wasn't actually referring to my son about been managed move on a one off as l stated he's been in trouble several times.

I was only responding to a statement that one can't get managed on a one off offence.

A student was managed moved last year in this same school on a one off incidence and this was reported to one of the councillors in the borough to look into.

OK. I think by focusing on that you are giving the impression that you think your son was unfairly treated, which will probably affect your responses here.

Unfortunately kids with severe underlying needs are being left without places for far longer than 8 weeks, so you probably won't get a lot of sympathy for poor behaviour. In effect though they are potentially gaming the system by calling what is becoming a permanent exclusion a 'managed move', so it's reasonable to question that.

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Mg4real · 16/07/2024 17:39

@Teacherprebaby
Will continue with grounding him. He's seen the ugly side of being kicked out of school surely.
I'm a parent that supports school discipline when it's done rightly and fairly.
Just worried about the length of time it's taken, almost 8 weeks out of school

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NeverDropYourMooncup · 16/07/2024 17:43

The local authority is obliged to find him an alternative fulltime education from the 6th day of the suspension.

You need to contact the LA inclusion team to find out why they haven't found a place in a PRU or other place by now.

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Mg4real · 16/07/2024 17:44

@napody
Exactly how l'm feeling about the school. I usually ask for a print out of his recorded offences. Some are just so outrageous that he actually got in trouble for them.
I also feel the school doesn't really care if he's in school or not as it's taking this long to get him into another school

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BrumToTheRescue · 16/07/2024 19:33

Is DS currently suspended? If not, why isn’t DS attending the current school while the managed move is organised? DS can’t have been permanently excluded otherwise a managed move wouldn’t be the route the school is going down, so unless he is currently suspended, he can attend the current school.

If DS is not suspended but the school is saying he can’t attend, they are unlawfully excluding DS and you need to challenge that by telling them he will be attending unless they formally suspend. And they can only formally suspend for 45 days per academic year.

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Mg4real · 16/07/2024 20:39

The school said he was being managed moved after serving his fixed 5 days suspension and wouldn't let him back into the school.
For the first 5 weeks he was sent to a different school each week to stay in their isolation classroom with no form of learning and l emailed them to lay a complain about this treatment.
He was only allowed back into the school to sit for his assessments as an off site student.

We've been waiting for a new school to get him into and the school term ends this week

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BrumToTheRescue · 16/07/2024 21:18

The school can direct off-site but they can’t just do as they wish and they cannot informally exclude. If DS isn’t suspended and isn’t directed off-site now, he can attend school.