Labour to reduce number of Grammar/Selective school places?

[Another76543]

This thread is not about private schools. It’s about the Labour Party’s dislike of state grammar/selective schools. Rachel Reeves, the shadow chancellor, has, in recent years, stated that she wants fewer children in selective schools, and more in comprehensive education. Angela Rayner has also expressed her dislike of the grammar system.

Does this mean that, under Labour, the number of selective places will be reduced? Will parents have less choice over the type of education their children receive?

m.youtube.com/watch?v=OW21Tu38Txo

Some were not, due to the availability of the grammar school option.

GT is NOT equivalent to grammar school,serve very different purpose.

What education ought to look like: mixed schools with enough resources to teach at all levels and keep the boys from hurting the girls and each other, in other words, the London Challenge rolled out nationally. That's got about as much chance of actually happening as a snowball has of staying frozen in a blast furnace.

What education needs to look like because the achieving the above without spending big money on education above is a feverdream of the middle-class Left, and no one wants to actually commit to spending more on education:

• girls' grammars
• girls' secondary moderns
• boys' grammars
• boys' secondary moderns

The molesting scrotes can't hurt the girls if they aren't in the same school. The kids who benefit from being stretched can be stretched instead of performing unpaid and involuntary child labour as classroom assistants and pacifiers. And extra funding for behaviour management can be targeted at the boys' secondary modern.

Just out of interest, how many of those who are anti-grammar are from the North and how many grew up in one of the 20% of most deprived areas?

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/may/04/grammar-schools-secondary-modern-11-plus-theresa-may?platform=hootsuite

I am from North: pro-grammar and pro-choice. Went to grammar school myself but since moved further North to a no grammar area. Comps in my area are: low progress 8, low attainment, low aspiration. Ex-mining communities with little social mobility opportunities. Kids bullied for being clever or trying hard at school. That's why we chose Indy for DD. Would have liked the option of grammar.

Grammar got my WC dad from Northern ex-mill town to Oxbridge. First one in his family to do education past 14 yrs old.
That wouldn't have happened without grammar.

There was a survey, long time ago, most anti grammar area are all urban area, seven out of top ten are in the North and Yorkshire. nine out of ten most pro grammar are in London and SE.

What I said about middle-class Left? Yeah...

Quality of education was only outstanding in 14 per cent of state secondary schools I 222/23 inspections, That is hardly something to write home about and often the most able are not being challenged enough in many good comprehensive schools. That is highlighted again and again by Ofsted and quite often is why many schools only get good. Only 80 per cent are either good or outstanding. So only 14 per cent of state school kids are getting an outstanding education (and that includes grammars). We should look at what Ofsted the regulator thinks about grammars.

Nowadays, comprehensive schools send more students to Oxbridge than grammar schools, with many being the first in their family to attend.

Red wall in the north? Mmm...

That's interesting because I'm from the North and a top 20% deprived area and I am very much pro-grammar because of the chance it gave me and Cambridge Boy.

OK so over the last 5 years our local comps got exactly 0 children to Oxbridge.

That's because there's more comps now.

In fact, 86 out of 163 grammars are outstanding! From Google. So far better schools than the 14 per cent?!

@SergeyB - so you want to abolish the outstanding schools we do have? Makes zero sense. Or you want to get rid of Ofsted so they can’t tell it how it is?

Could you clarify what you mean by saying the most able students aren’t being challenged enough? Are you suggesting they can’t become scholars conducting university research, or that they aren’t being prepared to become GPs or doctors? Are they not given enough opportunities to become Chancellors? Is this something that could be achieved by push parents through more oveeseas online tutoring?

Times have changed, and with more people attending university, the idea of 11plus exam to grammar schools have become outdated.

Oh, that red wall that went Blue in 2015 and would have stayed Blue if the Right vote hadn't been split between Reform and the Tories?

https://x.com/thiswillstick/status/1809158208390311974?s=19&t=m4nDtIyPskmpcqLFFwImUw

Labour's vote share went by 1.6% nationally. The Tories haemorrhaged 19% of the vote and Reform surged by 12%. If every Reform voter had voted Tory, Sunak would still be in Number Ten. Many seats that went red again did so with Reform in second-place. The North has stayed Right, they just haven't yet figured out tactical voting yet.

That doesn't actually rebut my point.

Perhaps you don’t realize that you might be an exception due to luck. This could be a case of survivorship bias.

They will be on the list of the Oxbridge outreach programmes.

They aren't presented with material that challenges them to the limit of their ability because they are too busy explaining concepts to the less-able child next to them and acting as human shields to stop disruptive kids from cooperatively disrupting the class.

We have teachers on the thread confirm that this happens.

At least he and I got to survive. You want all kids in the Hunger Games arena of the comps.

Yeh OK whatever. Why can't you just accept that some comps in some areas are quite frankly shit? Not because they don't get kids to Oxbridge but that they represent their demographic as I have highlighted previously ie in our case Northern ex-mining villages with generational unemployment and lack of aspiration. This makes it incredibly hard for any child who is academic and likes school to have the confidence to do well.
A grammar would be the perfect place for such kids but as we aren't in a grammar area then our only option is private. Now we are going to get hammered financially for having no decent state schools.