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What’s worse on a child(deferral or not)

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Babybrain26 · 24/05/2024 22:02

We’re Trying to decide if deferral is worth it potentially (no sen requirements, just young for year, but if deferred would be up to 14 months older than peers). The primary school he would be attending we’ve been told is very academic/competitive.

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Sunnysummer24 · 24/05/2024 22:05

What do you mean by deferred? Do you mean starting reception in September when they’ve turned 5 or something else? It means different things to different people.

Meadowtrees · 24/05/2024 22:11

I don’t understand your question. I’ve never known anyone be bullied due to ‘age advantage’ nor do all children struggle with school work just because they are at the younger end. Assuming your child is born early July approx a sixth of the class will be even younger. If you think they might be sporty being in the wrong year can be a problem as they get older btw.

WhyamInotvomiting · 24/05/2024 22:18

If you're on Facebook, join the flexible school admissions for summer borns group. Loads of research and information there.

My DC1 started reception at 5 and is absolutely thriving.

Janedoe82 · 24/05/2024 22:22

Depends how bright he is. Someone has to be the youngest in the class and I personally quite strongly feel that unless an obvious need should stay with the normal year group. I have had experience of having two young children in private school classes where children have been deferred and I think it created issues for the youngest in the class.

PuttingDownRoots · 24/05/2024 22:30

Do you think they will struggle in Reception at 4y2m... or get frustrated at nursery for an extra year with children a lot younger than them?
Its a balancing act. It depends on the child.

WittyFatball · 24/05/2024 22:35

Autumn born children statistically have an advantage over Summer born children (yes, someone will be along any moment to tell us their child born 31st August started Reception reading Harry Potter) - why would you choose not to give your child an advantage?

Lots of Summer born children manage fine but surely the aim is for children to thrive rather than manage.

questioningall · 24/05/2024 22:43

There are many children that take advantage of the regulation that allows summer born children to start a year late. Don't even think about it. There are only benefits for the child to start later when s/he is more mature. Academically will always be better if they start later, emotionally they are more ready. And as WittyFatball said it's not about if they will manage (most of them they do) but whether they will thrive.

HarrietSchulenberg · 24/05/2024 22:48

He will turn 16 in his year 10 at school. He could decide to leave at the end of that school year without sitting his GCSEs, if he felt that way inclined at the time. Worth bearing in mind.

WittyFatball · 24/05/2024 22:50

HarrietSchulenberg · 24/05/2024 22:48

He will turn 16 in his year 10 at school. He could decide to leave at the end of that school year without sitting his GCSEs, if he felt that way inclined at the time. Worth bearing in mind.

Why is this even a consideration?
Any 15 or 16 year old could decide to stop attending school - what do you think happens? 5'3" mum manhandles her 6 foot 15 year old boy into the exam hall and tells him he must do his GCSE because he isn't 16 yet? Or the police do?

Summertimer · 24/05/2024 22:56

Our DC was born very prem so we deferred him by a year. His birthday is very late in Aug and he’s only been the oldest in year for 2 years the entire time he’s been at school. There was some teasing at one point but until year 10 he was tiny. It was a very good decision.

Babybrain26 · 24/05/2024 22:57

Sunnysummer24 were in NI so it would mean having an extra year of preschool or in a playgroup setting essentially, before starting primary school. So he would start primary at 5 years and 3 months.

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DragonFly98 · 24/05/2024 22:57

Why would think they would get bullied? That's bizarre thinking.

Lemonade2011 · 24/05/2024 22:58

My son was march born so started school at 5years 5 months he’s not the oldest either

Janedoe82 · 24/05/2024 22:59

Babybrain26 · 24/05/2024 22:57

Sunnysummer24 were in NI so it would mean having an extra year of preschool or in a playgroup setting essentially, before starting primary school. So he would start primary at 5 years and 3 months.

Check where it leaves you with the SEAG if you want him to go to grammar. Could actually be to his benefit to be younger sitting it.

Summertimer · 24/05/2024 23:08

DragonFly98 · 24/05/2024 22:57

Why would think they would get bullied? That's bizarre thinking.

Yr 13 parent of deferred child born right at the end of August here. Bullying is very possible. Bullies pick up on difference and any vulnerability. It took until Secondary to happen and all it took to stop it was someone pointing out he wasn’t the even the oldest in the year.

Babybrain26 · 24/05/2024 23:14

Summertimer sorry to hear this experience, thank you for sharing.

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DragonFly98 · 24/05/2024 23:14

Summertimer · 24/05/2024 23:08

Yr 13 parent of deferred child born right at the end of August here. Bullying is very possible. Bullies pick up on difference and any vulnerability. It took until Secondary to happen and all it took to stop it was someone pointing out he wasn’t the even the oldest in the year.

thsts the first I have heard of and that would be very unlikely to the reason. Bullies pick a person first then make up a reason later.

HarrietSchulenberg · 24/05/2024 23:17

Wittyfatball local authorities are only obliged to provide education until the end of the summer term in the year a child turns 16. Until that time support such as alternative provision can be given for children who can't or won't attend school. Not all AP providers will work with children post-16 and the LA has no obligation to ensure the child receives an education after that time. It can become a very big problem which many people don't realise when their child is held back a year at primary school.

Janedoe82 · 24/05/2024 23:22

Also has an impact in NI on school boy sport- won’t be allowed to play with his year group and will have to play with year above- definitely the case with ulster hockey, not sure about rugby or GAA.

Summertimer · 24/05/2024 23:23

DragonFly98 · 24/05/2024 23:14

thsts the first I have heard of and that would be very unlikely to the reason. Bullies pick a person first then make up a reason later.

Bullies focus on difference - ask any very bright, chubby, small child.

5475878237NC · 24/05/2024 23:38

PuttingDownRoots · 24/05/2024 22:30

Do you think they will struggle in Reception at 4y2m... or get frustrated at nursery for an extra year with children a lot younger than them?
Its a balancing act. It depends on the child.

If a child doesn't attend nursery at all or goes to a preschool at four they're highly unlikely to become frustrated because it's all new. A good preschool can develop a child even if there for two years.

WeightoftheWorld · 25/05/2024 10:20

5475878237NC · 24/05/2024 23:38

If a child doesn't attend nursery at all or goes to a preschool at four they're highly unlikely to become frustrated because it's all new. A good preschool can develop a child even if there for two years.

Yes, my DC is bright and still enjoyed staying at nursery longer than if they'd gone to school at 4. Still asks if they can go back so they can just play all day again, even though she's acing her school work. Our nursery were great and worked well with us, they delayed her move to the pre-school room initially and then she did 4 terms of pre-school instead of 3. They stretched her appropriately with some phonics so she had a head start when she started reception, although I wasn't bothered about that, I just wanted her to be happy. She came on soo much in that year between 4 and 5 in terms of confidence, reducing anxiety levels, energy levels, social skills, physical skills and so on.

Babybrain26 · 25/05/2024 10:54

If we do defer him well have to place him in a new playgroup for this year and then put him into a preschool with another new group of kids...is that too much change?

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MargaretThursday · 25/05/2024 11:54

I think one of the problems is that I don't think enough deferred children have been through the school system yet to be confident it does give them an advantage long term.
Is there any research tracking it in numbers, rather than just anecdotal evidence?

Choice can be a great thing, but sometimes it's easier not to have that option!

For my dc, dd1 started about right, dd2 would have been fine starting the year before, maybe even better (although she then took a gap year before uni so has effectively dropped a year there) and ds was about ready for school summer term in year 1. Girls are both winter babies, ds a summer.

If I'd had the choice, would I have sent dd2 early? I don't think so. But I'd have agonised over it, and I think I'd have wondered several times over her school life, whichever I chose, and felt guilty.
I would have kept ds back a year without a doubt... But now aged 17yo I'm fairly confident it would have been the wrong decision over the long term. He might have done better academically, but I am certain socially and mentally it would have not done him any favours. I'm glad I didn't have the choice.

I think it is something that needs more research. Individual cases, are just that. And some things that are quoted, if you look into it, isn't quite as it sounds.
For example the number of winter term birthdays at Oxbridge looks very high - but if you look into it, a significant proportion should actually be at least one year below. When you take that into consideration, the year looks pretty even. So you could draw the conclusion that for a bright winter term baby it's better for them to go early.

Or maybe that children born in September to November brains develop better. I remember the shoe shop telling me that children's feet grow more in the spring, so maybe there are times of year, like in the animal kingdom, where their brains develop better.
Maybe there's a reason why Valentine's day is in February! It's the ideal time to get pregnant for your baby's development!

Also when I went to school they had 2 intakes. Winter babies started in September. Everyone else started in January. I think there's definitely advantages in that extra term, but I think people nowadays would say that is unfair on the January starters. The winter babies get a whole term extra in school, and have more individual attention.
Shortly after I left, they changed it to all starting at the same time. I knew the head who stayed for about 30 years at that school, from before my primary school time and afterwards. He commented that in his experience although in theory the winter term had an advantage at the beginning they often didn't keep it.
He said typically the January starters arrived and were determined to catch up with the September ones. They followed what the September ones did, so needed less time telling expectations and wanted to do what they did, so often had overtaken the September ones, who sat back on their laurels, fairly quickly. But he did feel that the extra term at home to develop and grow was important, and then they arrived ready to learn.

For me with ds, I wondered if one of the reasons that summer boys do worse is because the expectation of them is lower. I was still being told in year 4 that he'd grow out of certain issues "because he's a summer boy".
He was diagnosed with ASD and ADHD in year 8. For comparison, the boy in his form who was similar, but 5 months older than him, was diagnosed in year 1. That's 7 years extra help. That's going to make a difference.

So what I'd say is if you send him, don't be fobbed off with "he's a summer boy; he'll grow out of it." But if you defer him, don't let him relax and think he doesn't need to learn because he's currently ahead.

5475878237NC · 25/05/2024 12:08

I don't understand how you think you can know anything about how your son's life would have turned out if he'd deferred, let alone be "certain". He might have had an abusive teacher, might have made friends with someone whose sibling he'd have gone onto marry for instance...it's all just thoughts not facts.

Plenty of children have been deferred throughout time. It's a shame that the research isn't more widely publicised.

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