BBC report 'Spoiled Children Disrupt Schools'

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Conversely we have a 5 year old from middle class older parents who spits in teacher's faces and in other children's lunches when not getting own way.

i've had quite a few pupils from (sweeping generalisation time) middle-class backgrounds whose parents excuse/condone their behaviour through the "little Horatio needs to express his feelings - he is an individual and needs to be treated as such" route. Well yes he is, but he also needs to sit down and do his work at the same time as everyone else. (nb horatio does not have any ASN).

She couldn't get her 5 year old to bed until 1 am and was pleased as it wasn't the usual time of 3am? Hello? I can't believe how that's possible. A 5 year old isn't the same as a teen who could/would walk out the house or stay out late etc.

I'm struggling with that, no way would I let my 5 year old stay up that late. I'm an AP parent but not just permissive and lazy, we are polite to each other and teach them manners.

I'm always being told how polite and well mannered dd is, even ds1 is brilliant at pre-school and he is very boisterous and I thought we may have problems with him. Turns out the teachers love him hehe.

I can't get over how this years intake of Yr7s are so wingey, whiney & rude (well not all, but a lot). They have to be constantly reminded not to talk when the teacher is talking, not to doodle all over their books etc. Any soart of request to write something down in their books results in a whine & "can't we write on the worksheet?". Sometimes I think I have walked into a primary school by mistake.

Yeah, I'm sick of Y7 as well "don't like this subjct so am not doing anything", rude, constantly talking, thye seem to get worse every year.......

I think there is a generation of people (hmmm...lets call them 'Thatcher's Children' ...) who believe the world owes them something, and that if things go wrong, or something they don't like happens- it is somebody's fault. It is never down to bad luck, bad preparation, lack of organisation, etc it is always the fault of something or someone. They have no sense of personal responsibility, and ipso facto neither do their children.

On the plus side, I do think there will be a backlash against this, as people the next generation down can see all the problems that these people and there offspring are having and causing.

on the local version of this news report, a 6 yo, not Yr 6, could tell his teacher how to kill prostitutes while playing Grand Theft Auto. wtf?

yep - it is tiring hearing about kids who misbehave because they are bored or not being challenged. If they could actually be bothered to do some work in class - properly and not just dashed quickly - they would not be bored. After all we are now in an environment where we need to promote independent learning (OFSTED rules but some of the kids are just sooooo lazy.

Boredom should not be accepted as an excuse for bad manners and poor behaviour.

A mum of a boy in dd's Reception class is constantly on the teacher's back to stimulate her ds more so that he doesn't 'get bored' and start misbehaving. The problem is that I've known him since he was 5 months old and he's been so over-indulged and built up by his mum that nothing satisfies him. His behaviour is appalling, truly dreadful at times and she blames it on the teacher for not 'extending' his learning more.

But there are at least half a dozen kids in the class who are at least as bright as him (dd included) who don't behave like he does and don't need 'extra stimulation'. If anything I think a sign of intelligence should be that they can find things to do independently?

Well that just shows that mum is already in denial about her child's behaviour. It will not be sending out good signals to the other children and parents let alone the boy, who will start to think he is special

It will then stoke up problems for secondary when mummy dearest cannot not pop to each class for a 'quick word' about more stimuluation. One of my friends was horrified when her DS was excluded for a day for 'inappropriate behaviour' in Year 7 .... it is only now that she has realised what a monster he has turned into but hopefully things will improve. It has turned out that he is not the brightest smartie in the packet and is not in the top sets for Maths and English.

A lot of children haven't mastered the art of self reliance. They find it impossible to amuse themselves, even for a short time. How can children be bored? They possess mobile phones, games consoles, hand held games consoles, PCs, IPods, DVDs for instant amusement. They never wait for anything, never save up for anything, never want for anything. It is as though parents don't want their children to experience feelings - distracting them with non-stop entertainment and instant gratification in everything. No wonder some children are depressed.

I think organisations like NAGC have a lot to answer for. First they tell virtually every parent that contacts them that, yes your child is gifted. Then they present giftedness as some sort of special needs that makes behavioural problems inevitable. Meaning that no bad behaviour is ever the child's fault.

I have a daughter who is both gifted and spends a lot of her classroom time in severe chronic pain (no, not from a swollen head ), but I would never feel I had the right to tell her that this excused any poor behaviour on her part. That would be the same as trying to sabotage her chances later in life; what right have I got to do that?

I also think the kind of preciousness described in earlier posts is going to make life much harder for the parents whose children are genuinely on the autistic or attention deficit spectrum. Heigh ho, here comes another one... when the child may actually have genuine needs.

swedes, you have it in a nutshell!

god i really don't want to go back to work now...!

Can you remember our mums always saying, "I want doesn't get"? This probably isn't very prevalent anymore.

Can you remember our mums always saying, "I want doesn't get"? This probably isn't very prevalent anymore.

ST - I say that to dd!