Is this usual for primary school?

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Ds is 6. He goes to a mainstream school with 60 kids over 2 classes. In his class there are 3 children with 121 support so the class is busy. In the other class there are 2 children with 121 so overall 5 over the 60 kids. Ds and other kids have had some issues with violence towards them. The 121 staff I'm not sure if they're able to control the kid they support. Is it usual for the needs in mainstream to be so heavy ?

We have lots of autistic chn with 1:1 and some no support who do well in mainstream. I’m specifically talking about aggressive behaviour as that’s what the op was referring to.

Why would ss get involved? EVERY child is legally entitled to mainstream education if that's what they/their parents want for them.

As for money to home educate,where do people get these things from

Usually 25% of students have additional needs (when I worked in secondary).

It is possible for children with an EHCP to have a personal budget, which goes direct to parents. Parents can request this during the draft process or at annual reviews. The parents can put forward that they are better able to utilise the money to meet the needs, eg hiring there own support, such as dyslexic tutor or specialist OT. It is then up to the LA to decide, if they agree, a portion of the funding will be given directly to the parents.

Sorry, who gets £6-8k to home school?!

...also, why would social services be involved if parents decline a place in an unsuitable school?

If you have more than one child with SEND being homeschooled.

If it’s a suitable school and mainstream is unsuitable. My example may not be typical but not all parents are able to recognise what is best. Some parents have certain needs themselves and so SS will put the need of the child first in some circumstances.

Yes this is true. But that's not classed as home education, that's eotas (education other than at school) and they're different.

Local Authorities have no legal responsibility to provide education or funding to those who choose to home educate, they do however have a legal responsibility if a child has eotas. Eotas isn't just given to anyone who chooses, LAs can only agree to it where it's evidenced no school can meet the child's needs, or sometimes funding may be provided where a child can't attend their current setting and a new one is being sought, as the LA have a responsibility to ensure the child is receiving suitable full time education.

Sorry if you already know that Hodre, I'm just explaining as many won't know the difference.

By doing what?

No. You have no idea what you're talking about.

I work as a 1-1 in mainstream and I can tell you theres
6 children in the reception class of 60 with high needs and yes a couple non verbal are violent however I do my best to minimise these and I distract and play closely with the children and also get in the way. However it usually happens when they don’t want to share.

I don’t know exactly, just what I was told by a relative at a special school . As I said I’m not sure how many times you’d have to decline as a parent before that happened.I presume they have certain powers to ensure a child gets the right setting for their needs.

@BettyBakesCakes Not sure why you’re getting so upset. You’ve just agreed payments can be made to parents.

Parents do not get paid £6-8k to EHE. Even when they are EHEing multiple DC. A very small minority in a small minority of LAs get a PB when EHEing, but it isn’t being paid to EHE. It is to fund specific provision.

More are getting EOTAS, but that isn’t EHE. As a pp stated, the LA retains responsibility. It is when it is inappropriate for the provision to be provided in a school. EOTAS packages can be significantly more expensive than £6-8k pa.

so schools have to work out when the 1:1 is crucial and at other times they have nobody other than the teacher.

If 1:1 is detailed, specified and quantified in F it must be provided. It isn’t optional. It isn’t up to the school to decide when to provide 1:1. EHCPs can be fully funded, but LAs won’t do so unless forced.

EOTAS is not EHE.

Not to parents who are home educating, which is what you are claiming.

You assume wrongly

I didn’t specify, I said I know of families that receive that amount, not what it’s called? It’s funding to educate at home / out of school .

By home education I mean not in school.

But EOTAS is not home education. It is not funding to home educate. It is funding for the special educational provision detailed, specified and quantified in F. It may not even take place at home.

That number of kids on the SEND register is not unusual.
violence towards your child may not be unusual either, but it is absolutely unacceptable and don’t let the school tell you for a second that you need to put up with it. They have to keep your child safe in school.

How? Through EOTAS?

Your message is misleading

Transfer to where? And lol on the wanting to get £6-8k for home schooling. The vast majority of children who's children have SEN are sesperate for their children to get proper provision and being told they dont need an EHCP then even if the school says they can't handle the child being told by LA they can and they can't move and there's no places and no funding. The scenario you're talking about would be very rare and unless you know the details you couldn't say that was the case rather then the parent refusing inadequate provision or being pushed to off role.