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GCSE English literature how to get a 9?

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Zoommeout · 08/01/2024 22:40

Ds Is really struggling to improve his predicted grade for English literature edexcel. He says he doesn’t know HOW to get a 9. I have told him to ask his teacher etc but he’s still struggling.

For context, state school, (40% fsm),target grade 8.8 currently in year 11 achieving 6.4. English lang target 8.8 currently working at 8.5.

what does he need to do? (We can’t afford tutors ) - books to use, websites, techniques, etc any advice would be super helpful and gratefully received.

any help please??

sitting exams this summer

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jennylamb1 · 08/01/2024 22:46

Can I ask why he needs to get a 9? It may be helpful to get some tips on how to get a very good mark but also could I gently suggest that too much pressure might be counterproductive. Does he enjoy/excel at English? What is the motivation for him and how does it factor into his future plans.

jennylamb1 · 08/01/2024 22:48

I know that you don't want to buy any books but the CGP ones are good value.

Singleandproud · 08/01/2024 22:48

Access to past papers and the mark scheme to learn exam technique and what is required for each AO. Edexcel exam body specification and exam materials and sample answers but a 9 is only given for the top X% (16% I think) of candidates so can't really be predicted by the school as it depends on how the rest of the country performs

It's unlikely he'll need a 9 for future choices - why does he want it?

Girlinthecar · 08/01/2024 22:54

DD got a 9 in Lit last year, she got full marks in one of the papers.

Honestly, she just revised hard, loves English and reads a lot anyway. We didn't do anything special and I think she was predicted a 7, possibly an 8. Defo not a 9.

I would just encourage him to study, you know him but too much pressure and worry may hinder him?

Zoommeout · 08/01/2024 22:58

@jennylamb1 i want him to aim high - he has the ability. I’ve always said aim high and do your best. He know as long as he tries his best , that’s what counts most . But he isn’t achieving his target grade for eng lit but he is for his other subjects . It stands out. He’s asked me what to do and I have no clue.

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Zoommeout · 08/01/2024 23:02

@Girlinthecar i agree- too much pressure would definitely hinder him. He has always been academically really strong so I’ve kind of left him to it. But he’s reached out as he feels his English lit grade in tests isn’t improving and he doesn’t know how to, and it’s stressing him out . He is seeing progress across his other subjects . I am going to email his teacher but I feel a bit useless I don’t know how to help him :/

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MaloneMeadow · 08/01/2024 23:03

If he’s currently predicted a 6 then I highly doubt he’ll be able to achieve a 9 in just a few months. To some extent with English literature it’s definitely a natural ability sort of thing. For the sake of one grade I don’t see why you’re so keen to push him so hard, all you’re going to do is make him burn out. DD got a 9 in English literature and it’s had absolutely no effect on her life whatsoever, she’s said herself it’s pretty pointless. Focusing on STEM subjects definitely the way to go

Zoommeout · 08/01/2024 23:04

@Singleandproud he needs all 8 and 9 across his subjects with a view to study dentistry at university. It’s notoriously difficult to get into- any 7 or less wouldn’t get looked at

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MaloneMeadow · 08/01/2024 23:07

The straight 8s and 9s rule for medicine/dentistry/veterinary is also a myth. DD has plenty of friends with the occasional 6 or 7 who got in just fine. It was actually the one friend who had straight 9s at GCSE and 4 A*s at A level who didn’t get in to medicine first time round! Perfect grades aren’t the be all and end all, there’s much more to it

Al991 · 08/01/2024 23:13

English teacher here - read exam mark schemes for past papers. If he feels he understands all the content but isn’t getting the grades it’s because he’s not understanding exactly what they want. For Lit, memorise a few key quotes for each possible question (these are based on themes). For lang, really study those mark schemes to see what kind of things are awarded marks.

NancyJoan · 08/01/2024 23:16

Have a look at Mr Bruff on YouTube. Lots of short videos on the different set texts.

Gagagardener · 08/01/2024 23:32

Former teacher and GCSE examiner here, though retired from both for 10+ years. What he needs to do is to know his exam texts well, to write clearly (well-constructed, grammatical sentences in a legible hand), to answer the exam question and to support each point with reference and/or quotation. Suggest he thinks of himself as a barrister, assembling evidence to prove that eg Lady Macbeth could have been a good queen.

He must use paragraphs.

His answer should be an essay in which his points are linked, and possible objections dealt with. He must -as Maths teachers say - show his 'working'; in Lit, that is what is it in the text itself that leads him to his conclusion. (This could include tone, or event, or narrative point of view.)

The concluding paragraph should sum up the rest of his essay.

He should ask his teacher to show him model answers. Those who do best at Lit enjoy writing and working out their thoughts on paper, and I used to enjoy preparing high-mark answers for my students and teaching them how to write them.

Wish him luck from me; but tell him that if he really knows his texts, writes well, supports his arguments and answers the question, he won't need it.

surreygirl1987 · 08/01/2024 23:37

Keen readers often do better in both lit and lang - does he read lots, and widely?

Knowing his set texts inside out is essential, but he should read around the text too (eg what academics say about them).

Does have access to Massoli?

Reading lots of exemplar essays is also a huge help. These are often available on exam board websites.

clary · 08/01/2024 23:53

Zoommeout · 08/01/2024 23:04

@Singleandproud he needs all 8 and 9 across his subjects with a view to study dentistry at university. It’s notoriously difficult to get into- any 7 or less wouldn’t get looked at

Some good advice here on how to improve @Zoommeout - past papers, know the texts, look at the mark scheme - and if he wants to get a better grade, there are ways, tho I agree 6 to a 9 is a tough ask.

But I don't know who told you the tale above - but it's not true. Friend's dd is studying dentistry and deffo didn't get all 8s and 9s. They'd not manage to fill the places if they were that picky!

Agree it's about more than good grades, he needs to prove his interest and get some work experience.

Fordian · 09/01/2024 00:05

It's terrifying to me that the person who rootles around inside your mouth needs to have such an inside knowledge of Lady McBeth's inner psychology.

How ridiculous have we become?

mumda · 09/01/2024 00:11

Fordian · 09/01/2024 00:05

It's terrifying to me that the person who rootles around inside your mouth needs to have such an inside knowledge of Lady McBeth's inner psychology.

How ridiculous have we become?

Will ne're these teeth be clean?

Is this a brush I see before me, handle towards my hand?

goldfleur · 09/01/2024 12:52

Not trying to be unhelpful, and of course all students should aim high and do their best, but getting fixated on achieving top marks in every subject isn't very healthy. My kids are at a very competitive, academic grammar - I remember a friend saying her (very bright and science focused) DS was 'devastated' because he was predicted an 8 in English Lang and Lit (together with 9s in all other subjects!)

Kids need to learn that they can't be the best at everything forever. There will come a time when other people will get better grades in certain subjects. Trying to get from a 6 to a 9 is a big ask IMO - why not aim for a 7 (it's still an A*) and anything above that is a bonus?

shepherdsangeldelight · 09/01/2024 13:22

You've had some great advice already about how to improve.

To add a happy story, my DD got a 6 in English Lit mocks and a 9 in the real thing and she managed it mainly by doing what's been suggested on here - understanding what exactly she needed to do to get the extra marks. She treated it a bit like a game :)

legofchair · 09/01/2024 14:04

@Zoommeout as a parent we faced this dilemma a couple of years ago but with a much worse starting grade. Ds went from a 4 to an 8 but he was 9s pretty much across the board. So as a parent I will tell you what I did because like your son, mine was very willing to work at it and got an 8 in English lit in the end.

To help him you need to understand what gets marks, I am going to assume he is doing AQA as that is the most popular exam board for lit. Open up the mark scheme to any of the past papers online and read it. ie like this one https://filestore.aqa.org.uk/sample-papers-and-mark-schemes/2022/june/AQA-87022-MS-JUN22.PDF

Most importantly learn about Assessment Objectives, AO1 - AO4, he has to hit every box.
AO1 is Read, understand and respond to texts ie use textual references, including quotations.

AO2 is language, so he needs to analyse the language used
AO3 is the context in which it was written ie what year and what was happening at the time
AO4 is how they write it, language, structure of their sentences.

Then there are levels a 6 is the highest and a more full description of what they are asking the markers to identify is listed. Pull up the corresponding past paper question paper and then find the Shakespeare play your son is studying, look at the question and extract and then look at how they list out different bits under the AOs. For Ds it was Romeo and Juliet, so say they ask about male violence and of course they give an extract, could your son literally mentally think his way through the text pulling out all the times this is portrayed? R&J opens with a brawl in the streets. Ds did not do the extract first, he did the first time they encounter violence, worked his way through to where the extract falls and then finished the essay with where the violence ends, ie Paris is killed by Romeo. They write a lot about a little, ie they explore the scene or language used not 8 times the violence occurred.

Everything they study from the novels to the poetry is fiction, an author made deliberate decisions about the language they use, especially when it can have more than one meaning or foreshadows an event.

I can highly recommend Mr Salles both on youtube and we bought his books for Romeo and Juliet and A Christmas Carol, they helped immensely plus they have grade 9 essay examples in and were well worth the money for us. Re poetry, again Mr Salles, especially the 5 key quotes, Ds knew how he would start any essay on the poetry, ie at the beginning of the poem and talk about form and structure. The CGP revision book is great for this, breaks down every poem and again all those AOs.

Practise looking at unseen poems, what does he think they mean? There are lots of comparison ones on google that have been used for revision in other schools. Fundamentally he needs to know the texts, what happens when and he can embed quotes, ie his abusive language towards Caliban, eg ‘poisonous slave’, ‘hag-seed’ you don't need a whole sentence, just the key words.

I hope this helps.

https://filestore.aqa.org.uk/sample-papers-and-mark-schemes/2022/june/AQA-87022-MS-JUN22.PDF

SuperBored · 09/01/2024 14:16

Thank you for this question and responses. My ds is not at GCSE yet but is already struggling with what he needs to do in English to get better marks and either the teacher gives feedback in a way that ds doesn't understand or doesn't give feedback. He did have a tutor previously and his marks shot up, but can't afford it at the moment.

DoggerelBank · 10/01/2024 23:17

My DD went from 5 in mocks to 9 in GCSEs in Eng Lit, if I remember correctly. So it's not impossible (although I'll admit we did get her an excellent tutor). But agree with PP, a 6 or 7 in Eng Lit is not going to make a career in dentistry impossible, as long as he gets high-ish grades overall.

Changes17 · 12/01/2024 10:11

Great advice above. DS - who is a good reader but wasn’t massively interested in some of the texts - treated it like a game where he had to hit the right marks at the right points and got a 9 in lit and an 8 in lang. As an English grad I was slightly appalled by the highly formulaic approach that he took - and his school taught. But it worked out.

jennylamb1 · 12/01/2024 10:49

Yes, I'm an English Lit PhD academic and it seems a shame to teach to the test so much, however from memory at GCSE I was also very aware of what to include in the exam. I did read a good quote once: 'education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire.' However I guess the pail does need to be filled as well.

DriftingDora · 12/01/2024 11:00

Gagagardener · 08/01/2024 23:32

Former teacher and GCSE examiner here, though retired from both for 10+ years. What he needs to do is to know his exam texts well, to write clearly (well-constructed, grammatical sentences in a legible hand), to answer the exam question and to support each point with reference and/or quotation. Suggest he thinks of himself as a barrister, assembling evidence to prove that eg Lady Macbeth could have been a good queen.

He must use paragraphs.

His answer should be an essay in which his points are linked, and possible objections dealt with. He must -as Maths teachers say - show his 'working'; in Lit, that is what is it in the text itself that leads him to his conclusion. (This could include tone, or event, or narrative point of view.)

The concluding paragraph should sum up the rest of his essay.

He should ask his teacher to show him model answers. Those who do best at Lit enjoy writing and working out their thoughts on paper, and I used to enjoy preparing high-mark answers for my students and teaching them how to write them.

Wish him luck from me; but tell him that if he really knows his texts, writes well, supports his arguments and answers the question, he won't need it.

Similar experience to Gagagardener here, and I really echo what's been said.

Reading each question carefully is so important - and answer the question that's been asked (there are no marks for answering a question they haven't asked you!). If he loves his subject that's a huge plus. And good luck to him with his grade.

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