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HLTA (qualified teacher) being used as cover

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LorlieS · 03/01/2024 10:30

AIBU to feel miffed about this?

I'm a qualified teacher with 20 years' experience but stepped down from class teaching about five years ago as workload was ridiculous and I wasn't having any time with my own children. I'm now working as an HLTA, specialising in supporting children with EHCPs. Love it. Hard work for appalling pay but it's my "thing." I take responsibility of interventions (both 1:1 and group) and ensuring work on EHCP targets is undertaken. Feels great to have autonomy whilst (hopefully) making a difference and I really get to know the children I work with.

However, it's a huge primary I work in and I find I am being pulled away from my job more and more to cover classes for staff absences. Very rarely with a TA and full class of 30. High SEN needs in all classes.

I used to get paid my teacher rate for such cover but now with budgets being what they are I dont; I am just paid my normal HLTA rate.

School loathe to get supply in as expensive.

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Spirallingdownwards · 03/01/2024 10:49

In that case I would suspect its time to leave as HLTA and go back into teaching and at least get paid properly for the job you are doing.

LorlieS · 03/01/2024 10:52

@Spirallingdownwards I have a toddler now (3) as well as two older kids and just can't do the expected 7.30-5pm and evenings/weekends working.

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Spirallingdownwards · 03/01/2024 10:56

There are ways to do this as in childcare options. It does come down to a choice of what you are prepared to put up with. Where is the children's father in all this. Presumably working full time without sharing any of the mental load and childcare. Time for a family discussion.

Spirallingdownwards · 03/01/2024 10:57

I say this from a history of a job where I was frequently working into evenings and at weekends (law) but where my partner pulled his weight.

LorlieS · 03/01/2024 11:06

@Spirallingdownwards Hubby is exceptional but we rely on my mum for childcare and she won't have toddler teaching hours. She goes mad at me if I'm after 4.30!!
I also know teaching ft would also massively damage my relationship with husband as no time and impact again on my MH.

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LorlieS · 03/01/2024 11:07

@Spirallingdownwards Bet you earned a decent wage in law? Not the case in teaching!

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Spirallingdownwards · 03/01/2024 11:11

Not initially no. But it seems you actually don't want advice so I am unsure why you are posting. I'll bow out now and leave you to it.

LorlieS · 03/01/2024 11:12

@Spirallingdownwards I do want advice, but don't want to go back into teaching. Sorry if that's an issue?

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Lavender2021 · 03/01/2024 11:18

No a teacher myself but want happens if you say no to being the cover teacher?
Do they then have to get cover in?
Is it in your contract to be the sole adult in the class?

LorlieS · 03/01/2024 11:19

@Lavender2021 They'd say it is in my role as an HLTA.

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Principessary · 03/01/2024 11:20

@Spirallingdownwards OP does not want to be a teacher but her school is making her carry out the duties of a teacher but on a much lower salary. It's fairly straightforward.

Whinge · 03/01/2024 11:21

LorlieS · 03/01/2024 11:19

@Lavender2021 They'd say it is in my role as an HLTA.

But it's not your role, have you checked your contract? You need to stand firm and refuse to cover classses, it's not your fault supply is expensive.

Shinyandnew1 · 03/01/2024 11:23

Whinge · 03/01/2024 11:21

But it's not your role, have you checked your contract? You need to stand firm and refuse to cover classses, it's not your fault supply is expensive.

HLTAs have been expected to cover classes in any school I’ve worked in.

LorlieS · 03/01/2024 11:23

@Whinge I have an HLTA contract.

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Spirallingdownwards · 03/01/2024 11:24

Principessary · 03/01/2024 11:20

@Spirallingdownwards OP does not want to be a teacher but her school is making her carry out the duties of a teacher but on a much lower salary. It's fairly straightforward.

Edited

As is the fact that TAs often cover for absent teaching staff. Indeed even unqualified employees are used as cover. My point was that if being used more often than not as cover at least consider going back into teaching so you are paid what you are worth for the job you are doing. If that means sorting proper childcare then so be it. But fully accept that OP doesn't want to do that. But with 20 years teaching experience it can't be a surprise that non qualified staff are used although perhaps she didn't realise they weren't paid higher rates when they did

LorlieS · 03/01/2024 11:25

@Principessary Exactly that.

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GrannyAchingsShepherdsHut · 03/01/2024 11:25

My friend is a HLTA, working with SEN and interventions etc, sounds very very similar to you OP, but she has no teaching quals.

She often teaches a whole class for a day, when the teacher is on PPA or sick or whatever. At least 2 days a week.

I don't think it's ideal, I was certainly never in a class taught solely by a TA when I was at school, but I do think it's a normal situation for a HLTA regardless of the fact you have teaching quals. Sorry.

mikado1 · 03/01/2024 11:25

Agree it is not your role and I'd clear that up first thing when you go back so that it is sorted before you're asked again. Are TAs allowed to cover classes in the UK or is it only because you're also a qualified teacher? I'm in Ireland and we have SNAs, no TAs and I know there is a difference. SNAs are not evenly allowed cover a class if the teacher needs to run to the loo, say!

Separately, teaching in the UK sounds awful going by MN. It's very different over here if you feel like change of scene!

Edited to add: Apologies, I see it is a very different situation so it is an understood part of your role. Perhaps you can query if that is being shared fairly among the TAs? Only you know what your principal will say to that suggestion. With us, if support teachers are called on for cover, it is done in a rota so one person is not being leaned too heavily on (or their base class is not suffering unfairly).

Lavender2021 · 03/01/2024 11:25

https://neu.org.uk/advice/member-groups/support-staff/hltas-and-cover-supervisors

I would be at least pushing for more pay when in charge of the class.

SiblingFights · 03/01/2024 11:26

I think it is standard for HLTAs to be used as cover. They deliver lessons that have been planned and prepared by a teacher. I think if you were to ask to be moved to a L2 then you would not have to do cover, at least that is how it works in our trust.

Shinyandnew1 · 03/01/2024 11:27

LorlieS · 03/01/2024 11:06

@Spirallingdownwards Hubby is exceptional but we rely on my mum for childcare and she won't have toddler teaching hours. She goes mad at me if I'm after 4.30!!
I also know teaching ft would also massively damage my relationship with husband as no time and impact again on my MH.

You could teach part time, you could get a job outside of teaching and pay for some childcare around what your mum will do.

Having three children and a well paid job with no childcare was never going to be easy (I say that as someone with 2+ children!).

Meem321 · 03/01/2024 11:28

You should be delivering learning activities as cover. Not planning and not 'teaching'. What is the situation with you?

LorlieS · 03/01/2024 11:28

@mikado1 I know in UK HLTA'S can cover classes; you need no teaching qualifications.

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HamstersAreMyLife · 03/01/2024 11:29

LorlieS · 03/01/2024 11:07

@Spirallingdownwards Bet you earned a decent wage in law? Not the case in teaching!

I'm also law and salary is equivalent, it very much isn't universally highly paid!

LolaSmiles · 03/01/2024 11:30

It's often written into the HLTA description to provide short term cover, even if that's not what the bulk of their day-to-day job is. They're usually a level 4 position to reflect this whole class element.

HLTAs are not doing the full job of the teacher as they're not responsible for or accountable for the quality of teaching and learning or pupil progress. That's the class teacher and school leaders' responsibility.

The NEU line is that HLTAs should only be used for short term cover.