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Failing at teacher interviews

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Teach1234 · 06/05/2023 01:44

Hello,

Just after advice from anyone who also finds the observation part difficult. I know there are a lot of people who struggle with the interview side, but I keep seeing- 'my practice is oustanding' or they were a close second. I just feel like I'm not great at interview lessons. I had one which actually went well- out of 4. I just find the whole artificial situation so bizarre and daunting. My confidence is taking a real hit and I'm just wondering if there is an art to interview lessons or whether it is a reflection on me not being good enough as a teacher.

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slackademic · 07/05/2023 17:33

It's this primary or secondary? Have you done much supply work? If not, I'd recommended it as a way to honing your skills - I did 2 lots of 18 months and felt my confidence about waking into unfamiliar classes increase - you also get to pick up lesson plans left my absent teachers (of you're lucky) and get to try out new ideas of your own - you also learn to think fast and make quick decisions and learn how to make things work. I agree, think it can be argued that it's a very unreliable way to appoint teachers - I've certainly been at interviews where other candidates have had lesson plans worked on my others - teachers from previous schools or from their training institution. Many times you will see that one candidate is known to the school already (though supply work or having trained there for example) and you may rightly or wrongly suspect that you are just there to make up the numbers - this, IME, does happen. I wouldn't be too hard on yourself - in teaching and in the many other fields of work that I have worked in (I had 9 jobs in 16 years at one point when engineering jobs were insecure but highly paid) I came to think that it took about 6 interviews (worst case) to get better at the interview process and land a job offer. I don't know about you but if I think about some of the best lessons I've taught they came from matching my personal strengths and interests to the lesson and by working, from first principles, from the national curriculum, and using my own imagination to do exactly what I thought would work best - these great lessons didn't come from finding or adapting lessons from other resources - "memorable" would be a keyword high up in my list of things that might influence the design of my best lessons. However, having said this, I do disagree somewhat, not totally, with the idea that you should see yourself, and students should see you, as a circus entertainer - once you are in a job you make a fuss for your own back if you try to do outstanding, memorable lessons - every lesson, every day, week in week out - I do think schools tend to build up these lesson observations for interviews so the students expect something special. It's impossible to fully second guess what schools are looking for - some evidence, in a stressful interview situation, that you are paying attention to the students in the class - their behaviour, their questions, their learning needs (picking up on basis on their knowledge, misunderstandings, etc) - that you are quick enough on your feet to address issues in all these areas - instead of blindly, naively ploughing on with your lesson plan. These are only my opinions - we've all had different experiences at interview, doing supply and writing full time - it's lovely having your class or classes (I've taught full time in primary, secondary and worked as a private tutor (for 12 years) teaching A-level maths, chemistry, physics and the biochemistry parts of biology, as well as many other GCSE's) but supply work can be a great option - depends on your financial situation mainly. I hope you get some more replies! It's a totally insane way to earn a living. Personally, I'd suggest you try private tuition - maybe do some supply work too - a full time job IMHO is not the be all and end all if you want to teach. There is no end of demand for private tuition - work for yourself, with the hours you want to work, yeah what you want to teach, teach the way you want to teach. I went from primary teaching 13 subjects to only teaching one - neither there primary of the secondary environment offer very much scope for you to blossom as a teacher - I have many interests - I wanted to bring them all into my teaching - primary was great for me as a musician and with many artistic interests, secondary was stifling - private tuition allowed me to do all the things I wanted to do as a teacher.

slackademic · 07/05/2023 17:39

Uugh - no edit facility, so many spelling errors, phone, autocorrect... Blah blah blah.
fuss=rod
basis on = gaps in
writing full time = working full time
yeah = teach
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Fairislefandango · 07/05/2023 17:41

I've got one this week, but it's for a TLR at the school where I already work. How long have you been a teacher, OP? 27 years for me Shock and I still hate interview lessons! Do you get a feeling for what's not going well in the lessons? Have you asked for feedback?

I think @slackademic is right about focussing on the students - it is very easy to feel like a rabbit caught in the headlights and just go through the rehearsed motions of your lesson. What's your subject? Or is it primary?

grafittiartist · 07/05/2023 17:49

Gosh- teaching interviews are so awful aren't they!
Good luck with it.

Teach1234 · 07/05/2023 21:00

Thanks everyone. I graduated from my 3 year primary teaching degree in 2020. I worked for a year as a TA- then did a term on supply. Since then
I've been working as an academic mentor.

I mostly work on early reading intervention at the minute. I have actual phonics groups that I teach in morning (and I've had all abilities) and small group int. In afternoons. I have been told I am really good at what I do and specifically 'phonics' but I do a lot of it day in day out- so of course I've had a lot of practice.
Plus I have afterschool tutoring so I do have bits of maths and reading/ guided reading- I've had every year group for that at some point except year 6.

I applied for about 13 jobs when I was a TA with no shortlisting. 2 the year after which I had interviews for. And this year so far I've applied for only the 2 but I'm still applying.

Just makes me feel like a crap teacher- I would feel a least slightly better knowing I was still a decent candidate on the day. Walking away knowing it wasn't good is a huge confidence knock.

The one before this- the lesson went well, I just fell at the interview hurdle.

I didn't mind supply- some days were great, some horrendous and a lot in between- but the stakes didn't feel that high. If if was awful, I just brushed it off and probably never went back. Teaching interviews are high stakes situations.

Just can't shake the horrible feeling that maybe I am just bad 😫

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PerSeer · 08/05/2023 03:12

I would focus on the children, not the interview. If you connect with them, you won!

Luckypoppy · 08/05/2023 03:43

You need to get someone with some experience to look at your basic letter. Sounds like it may need a little work. Once you have a good basis you just need to make little tweaks to tailor for each job.

With the actual interview, practice makes perfect. Is there anyone with some interviewer experience who can help you to prepare? If not, google a list of questions and get someone to ask you them so you have to think on your feet.

Teaching interviews are brutal. Take anyone up on help that you can.

Good luck.

OhBeAFineGuyKissMe · 08/05/2023 18:06

Remember you are not being rejected someone else is being selected. They are not quite the same thing.

Has any of your feedback been useful? You have a few interviews behind you now, so you know the type of questions that are being asked. Prepare some answers for those.

After May half term, teachers already in schools won’t be able to hand their notice in so there is less competition then.

Teach1234 · 08/05/2023 21:13

Thanks. I'm actually quite good at getting shortlisted now. I have the paperwork side sorted for the most part. It's the obs/ interview side to worry about.

I feel better a bit about it now. I think there's the build up anticipation to it and come down etc. I think I just have to remind my self to take what other people say/ put on social media with a pinch of salt. I know that sometimes schools will probably fob people off with excuses if 'their face doesn't fit' and not everyone neccesarily performs outstandingly well at observations either- most likely anyway. Not been sleeping much this week either. But onwards and upwards I guess x

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slackademic · 03/09/2024 10:22

So... how did it turn out? Did you land a job?

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