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Year 9 - Moving to slightly better school only for academic reasons

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Mcal · 27/02/2023 11:08

Hello,
I was hoping in some opinions from UK parents if possible.
Our kid was offered to switch to a slightly better school right now, in year 9.
The two schools are actually close, the current one is 25 minutes walk and the other 35 or so. No house move would be required

The only reason for the move is that, based on on government statistics, the percentage of kids going to top third universities in the current school is 5%, and 30% in the other. However, the current school is a Sport College (he is not into sports), so one reason for the difference might be that many kids attending have other careers in mind.
Also, the current one is boys only, the new one would be co-ed. My wife and I studied in mixed schools, so we tend and like that, but of course it might or not be a good thing.
They both do A-levels too.

Besides that, the current school has very good good pastoral service, and kids feel safe there. Our son is the diligent type,never asked to skip school and never seemed afraid to go (unlike myself at his age and later), always punctual and so forth without prodding, and I think we are very lucky in that. He is not top class, always in the top set because that he tries to reach bar the the school sets, but he would not do more without a specific reason. Nothing wrong with that, but we were wondering if a slightly demanding school would then lead to better GCSE and A-level.

The new school could be better in that respect, but he would need to drop one current GCSE choice (computing, in his school they choose subjects in year 8).
We had a meeting with the new school, just parents, where they explained some, then a test to gauge his level.
Then we were promised a meeting with the head of year, which I hoped would be about how supported he would be in catching up and fitting in.
It turned out the lady was a substitute because the head of year was otherwise engaged, and initially she took it as a formality, asking us to sign documents and him to select first and second choice subjects on the spot.
When I raised our concerns, she was kind enough to discuss them, and when she heard that our kid is anyway happy in his current school, and that the reason is just better test scores in the future, she replied that any school is good enough to get into university if a child studies hard, and , while it would be their loss if he did not transfer, she was not raccomending doing that necessarily just for the test grades.
She anywya reassured him and us that by April he would be fine enough.

Our son hates the idea. Over the last week he has been saying that very often. He even sent me a mail with all the pros and cons to the move, to which I tried to reply fairly and spent many hours researching about, so we could discuss it.
He agrees that the new school could give better chances but he also offered to work harder and use hold GCSE papers to practise on top of schoolwork, so he does not need to move, which I appreciate, it is quite mature of him to offer that solution.

My wife will have none of that. She essentially decided it would be a good thing for him to move the very moment we received the offer.
He should have gotten a place becasue he passed an exam for it years ago. That never materialized but now there is an offer, so we should take it.
I am myself less convinced and I am worried that he might not fit in and then become less diligent and hard working as a consequence. I have no reasons to think he would not manage, but having myself struggled in high school because of the environment and luck of support, I would hate for him to end up the same way. He told me that continuity is important for him. Even if I promised I will always support him provided that he can tell me if there are issues.

Sorry for the long text.
Essentially my wife an I got are a bit clueless about the UK system. Our first degrees abroad and then got offers by UK universities based on that. We never had to deal with preselection based on high school grade, entering was easy, staying on board took work.
But in the UK it seems many doors can close dependently on GCSE and A levels results, so we are worried our kid might not have enough options when the time comes.

Thansk for any opinion!

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Seeline · 27/02/2023 12:23

Is this state or private school?
Is the new school a grammar?
Just confused when you say he passed the exam?

Any way - if he is happy at his current school and working well I really wouldn't move him if he really doesn't want to move.
A happy child learns well.

Camdenish · 27/02/2023 12:26

Never move a happy child.

TeenDivided · 27/02/2023 12:27

I think you'd be bonkers to move now, especially as your DS has already started GCSE syllabus.
Consider moving for A level maybe?

Briallen · 27/02/2023 12:28

Don’t move him if he’s happy. Unhappy kids do not learn well no matter how good the school. Moving him could be so negative for him if he doesn’t want to go

redskydelight · 27/02/2023 12:32

Don't move a happy child. The fact your son is prepared to argue so strongly against it also augurs well in terms of his future success.

If you're concerned about A Level provision and results, reassess when it's time for sixth form (which is a natural time when lots move, anyway).

StillWantingADog · 27/02/2023 12:32

I’m not sure why you’d move him? If the other school was so much better in your eyes did you not apply for that from y7?

I’d never moved a happy child unless there was a house move or some other serious problem.

just because the statistics are better in the other school does NOT mean your dc will do better there!!

Sarahcoggles · 27/02/2023 12:39

You would be insane to move a happy hard working child from a school they like to a school they don't want to go to, especially in year 9 when puberty is about to hit. Total madness.

Sarahcoggles · 27/02/2023 12:44

Apart from a few degree subjects such as medicine, I don't think GCSEs matter much. As long as you get good enough grades to get into 6th form, then that's what matters. It's the A level predictions and UCAS form that determine what university you get into.

Your son might be a sweet kid now but remember what teens are like. If you move him against his will at this crucial stage he could rebel and abandon education all together.

Glendaruel · 27/02/2023 12:44

I moved at start of year 10 because we had to, it was terrible as school didn't see a lot of change in their pupils from year 7, so friendship groups were formed and I was an outsider for two years I was there. It resulted in my grades dropping and becoming a withdrawn teen. My advice is a happy teen learns better, the school doesn't necessarily impact this. I would be listening to them.

Mcal · 27/02/2023 14:02

I just wanted to say thanks to everyone for reading my long message and taking the time to reply, much appreciated.

Regarding the exam I mentioned.
Our son took the grammar schools test while in middle school (there are several in the Borough).
He did not qualify, however he scored well enough to get a place in this other school we are considering, which is not a grammar school but removes catchment area limitations for any student scoring high enough in the grammar schools exam.
We understood, probably stupidly, that this meant that he had a guaranteed place in year 7, so we put that in list with some other schools we liked, at the last place we put the school he is in now.
When the results came, he was not offered a place to that, to our surprise because in any case the school they offered him is at a similar distance.
So we kept him in the waiting list for a couple of the other choices and we got an offer only now.

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Camdenish · 27/02/2023 14:07

Honestly, the new information doesn’t change anything.

The cohort of children getting A level results are unlikely to be the cohort of children who entered at year 7 ( or year, 8,9…). Equally, just because statistically children get certain grades doesn’t mean your child will get those grades.

I can see no good reason to move your child.

Drizzlepeacefully · 27/02/2023 14:10

If he is happy ,doing well and has good friends , I would leave him where he is .

Giving up Computing in a modern world is a bad idea .. GCSE is quite hard ( according to my own high achieving year 9) .. so if he’s doing well then not one to drop .

ModeWeasel · 27/02/2023 14:11

I totally understand where your wife is coming from, but having moved schools at that age no way would I do that to my own child.

GobblingGyozas · 27/02/2023 14:13

I think I know the two schools.

I wouldn't move a child for those reasons, especially one who so adamantly doesn't want to move.

PastMyBestBeforeDate · 27/02/2023 14:13

I don't think I saw any mention of friends? He's settled and presumably has a bunch of friends. Don't move the poor kid.

MotherOfHouseplants · 27/02/2023 14:14

Don't move a happy child. Stop looking at performance data and start looking at the child in front of you.

BendingSpoons · 02/03/2023 15:54

A school that partially selects students will have better exam results. This doesn't necessarily mean your son will do better. It's possible the more academic school is more used to prepping kids for top unis etc, although this is not guaranteed.

If this was for a year 7 place I would say go for it. I wouldn't move him now when he is so resistant. If he is unhappy, he may perform worse. If he works hard, he can be the 5% at his current school.

crazycrofter · 02/03/2023 18:54

Sixth form (year 12) is the obvious time to reassess as lots of students move at this point due to schools offering different subjects etc. As others have said, GCSEs aren’t particularly important anyway, as long as he does well enough to move on to sixth form.

lanthanum · 03/03/2023 19:43

The school having better results does not necessarily mean your child getting better results.

Possibly, if he is one to stay in the middle of a group, being in higher-achieving cohort will spur him on - but maybe he will find himself in second sets instead of top sets, in which case that gain won't apply.

If they're state schools, you can look at the progress 8 figures, which give a measure of the value added, but even those should be taken with a large pinch of salt, and you certainly shouldn't read much into relatively small differences in those figures.

On the whole, he's likely to do better staying put, especially if that's what he wants. He sounds mature and sensible, and willing to put in a bit of extra effort if he can see the value.

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