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Winchester - why are they striking?

103 replies

Thewickerwomen · 22/01/2023 09:53

Hello. I saw in The Times that Winchester might strike. Does anyone know the reasons why? (… and can one school decide to strike on their own?)

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Benusdemilo · 23/01/2023 18:28

Well, I wish they’d fire and and not rehire one of my DC’s teachers who thinks it’s fine to let them do their own “independent learning” at this stage in Yr 11 when they haven’t finished learning the full curriculum yet. With any luck that teacher will be the one on strike next week as no one will notice any difference.

Cardboardcut · 23/01/2023 18:53

@@Benusdemilo are you referring to Winchester? I am asking as an ex Wincoll parent.

Benusdemilo · 23/01/2023 19:06

No, different school, different part of the country. We haven’t been informed if any teachers are striking next week, but these issues seem nationwide in the Indy sector.

ElegantPuma · 23/01/2023 19:12

Benusdemilo · 23/01/2023 19:06

No, different school, different part of the country. We haven’t been informed if any teachers are striking next week, but these issues seem nationwide in the Indy sector.

You don't have to tell your employer in advance whether you are planning to strike or not.

Cardboardcut · 23/01/2023 19:19

Yes, I did think you might be a Winchester. It's a familiar story there or at leas it was when my DS was in year 11

Xiaoxiong · 23/01/2023 23:37

They are taking away staff accommodation for some teachers at Winchester and expecting them to find housing in the local area with very short notice, I think that has upset a fair few.

UnicorseTime · 24/01/2023 06:39

Not a cheap area too!

Cardboardcut · 24/01/2023 06:49

They have or at least did have we DS was there a high turnover of staff @Xiaoxiong . That won't help things.

JangolinaPitt · 24/01/2023 06:59

At a local private school in SW London yesterday the Headmaster (illegally) spent part of a whole staff Monday briefing) reasons why they should not strike and then insisted to the person taking the weekly minutes not to minute that part. He was obviously rattled by the Winchester situation and there was a definite implication that strikers would not be favourable looked upon…

Nimbostratus100 · 24/01/2023 07:19

Teachers in private schools often have worse pay and conditions than teachers in state schools, as well as being more likely to be unqualified, so having fewer options of work place

EarthPunchingBack · 24/01/2023 07:25

The loss of TPS would be an absolute deal breaker for most teachers - much more so than pay. I would imagine that is what I’d driving the strikes.

Phineyj · 24/01/2023 07:35

I went through a TPS consultation with threatened fire and rehire at an independent and the atmosphere was absolutely awful. Think colleagues in tears etc. We managed to avoid industrial action. I left - I was disgusted by the SLT. But I can see how it would politicise a formerly apolitical/contented staff.

barnbaby · 24/01/2023 08:11

When a school of this calibre starts to admit girls then you know that something is working in the bursars office. It must be an immensely expensive school to run - imagine heating the place! And you can't fob modern parents off with 'wear an extra vest' attitude to children being cold.
As for their treatment of teachers, I suspect they are not able to access the level of training they know they deserve (kids are bright so can get away with not spending what they need to on teachers) and teachers don't like feeling undervalued, they like to keep their skills fresh and up to date.

barnbaby · 24/01/2023 08:12

Not working - excuse hurried typing!

rattlinbog · 24/01/2023 08:27

I also work at an independent school and we are mainly members of the NEU

Benusdemilo · 24/01/2023 10:46

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Benusdemilo · 24/01/2023 10:53

Sorry, didn’t mean to post that!

Peverellshire · 24/01/2023 11:07

@Cardboardcut yes, re: ‘independent learning’, children need explicit teaching. NB: GCSE results at Eton, as an example, for GCSE English Language. In my opinion, ALL or most, should get a ‘9’. Where’s the value add? Schools need to provide ‘a formula’ to get the grades in Eng Lang, ‘private reading’ won’t cut the mustard.

Overseas students at Independent schools are often learning curriculum a year in advance, so lessons are effectively reinforcement & revision. Then often daily tutoring on top & generally a stronger work ethic. Check out coffee shops on a Sunday in relevant towns.

Upshot is it can make teachers lazy, & poss a bit bored, some/many claim to be unaware re: above.

Also, USP becomes increasingly about the grades which creates a pressure on those students who are not receiving the same scaffolding & external/extra support, who assume must be a bit thick as not apparently picking things up so fast…

Cardboardcut · 24/01/2023 12:02

You are spot on @Peverellshire you have described Winchester perfectly. Lots of tutoring also takes place on line during toytimes . No value added by the school in my opinion. DD received far superior teaching at her grammar school.

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/01/2023 12:04

Our youngest left their independent over 3 years ago now. I was surprised to learn how poor the salary/pension packages were for the majority of staff.

Peverellshire · 24/01/2023 12:46

How depressing @Cardboardcut my experience is mainly with top girls boarding schools. Makes sense, all similar likely afflicted with same issues.

IME that’s why there are a significant minority with very serious mental health issues, often undiagnosed below the radar, in these institutions & schools can’t or are not interested in accommodating, NB: to said schools an ‘online wellness platform’ only ticks a box (and often suggests the obvious anyway). Budget cuts & purse strings being tightened means boarding housemasters etc have too much responsibility for not enough pay & being overstretched means very important balls inevitably dropped.

The heads often seem oblivious, not bothered, or asleep at the wheel, ‘he who pays the piper calls the tune’ & IME the schools are turning a blind eye to revision boot camps etc for overseas pupils in hols who reinforce this over studying culture. These were not a ‘thing’ a few years ago & kids have to clear stuff out in boarding houses/rooms to accommodate. (Fair enough in long summer hols but disruptive in term time).

As you’ll prob know, In Asia often the ‘good class’ schools are effectively ‘rubber stamps’ and look like a luxury high status brand on your CV & all that this implies. Classes are often 30-40.

Here, the ‘real’ & ‘true’ learning happens in the enrichment centres & by the brilliant super tutor that teachers on the top floor of the shopping centre. Parents, often at great sacrifice to themselves, spend a thousand & even, sometimes ‘thousands’ a month on it. Sometimes that is nearly all their income.

Are we seeing that culture increasing here? Certainly, I do personally. It’s a very different landscape to 2015, for example, & there are far fewer UK boarders. Am I seeing parents with the most ££ in these schools having increasingly more soft power? In the past this definitely wasn’t so.

They seem reluctant to put fees up too, budgeting & accounts in some cases ‘off’ & badly managed. Some Indep schools, I think, are covering this effective shortfall & teacher pension change from own coffers & will need to find funds to do so.

Which leads to, in some cases accommodation being increasing grotty/substandard. As you or someone up thread said, parents won’t put up with that as in past.

Food budgets often covertly cut which means catering staff hard to find & food quality increasingly poor quality & badly prepared. This leads to increasing blind eyes turned to students ordering pretty consistent takeaways in some cases & places.

Fee increases would also help re: teachers salaries & perks. We want to reward excellent professionalism. Some teachers now even have to pay for food when free before. Charity initiatives at local state schools etc are to be applauded & very important BUT if time, teacher expertise & increasingly money is siphoned off here, will parents be pleased?

Benusdemilo · 24/01/2023 13:07

A plea to SLT. Please stop making your children Prefects, Sports Captains, Head Girl/Boy, Head/Deputy Head of House, award them 85% of all the prizes etc. We mere civilian parents see right through this and we know where credit is due and it’s usually to other children who are more talented/intelligent. When your children leave school they will be confused that their pedestal has been vaporised and no one gives a damn what their surname is.

barnbaby · 24/01/2023 15:24

Wow this thread doesn’t paint a pretty picture!

barnbaby · 24/01/2023 15:25

@Peverellshire I don’t think parents can afford to be displeased about the money spent on charitable work with state schools or we will have VAT imposed at the earliest convenience!

Peverellshire · 24/01/2023 15:27

@Benusdemilo Lol! Or, as was in my day, those whose parents donated ££ for a new library etc :) As unfair as these things might be, trust me, sadly it is the unjustly rewarded that suffer in long run IME. Unfortunately, some more so than others & quite severely. They are being done no favours!

It’s off topic slightly, but I noticed in our primary school time, children with the ‘overly invested’ parents were disproportionately rewarded & given prizes, that scale model of Buckingham Palace was NOT entirely made by 7 year old, Jocasta. Please reward the ‘inspiring rubbish’ that shows, erm potential. :)! So, you are rewarding some talent but not obvious fakery.

When the Y7 prize for the Beowulf rewrite does to the girl who has the Oxford specialist in field on speed dial & who helps with the ‘draft’…well you get the picture. Speaking as an ex teacher in similar schools, it helps foster a toxic competitive culture & you’ll be continually doorstepped’ & approached by ‘interested’ parents who loiter in the car park. :) Award it fairly, beware the ‘very good attempt’, know that parents are one step ahead, some are so over invested are some that they contrive deliberate & ‘only slightly off mistakes’ - truly, the tales I could tell! :)

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