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If I became a teacher, would I be able to not need childcare during school holidays?

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Twiglett · 13/01/2008 09:46

or is that naive?

(assuming I work in the same LEA as my children's school .. I understand I would need before and after-school care)

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VanillaPumpkin · 13/01/2008 16:46

I am intending to re-train to be a primary school teacher the year after dd2 starts school (Sep 2010). My Mum is a primary school teacher as are two of my very close friends. I am under no illusions as to the work load and yet I am still choosing it in part because of the holidays. The main reason is that having children has taught me so much about myself, what I find rewarding, that I actually like children and that I will need a satisfying career to fill that gap when the children are grown up and gone..... I am 31 and have a 2:1 degree from a good uni that I have never used. DH is in the RAF at the moment so our lives are about his career at the moment. When he leaves the roles will be reversed and as much as I will miss the school plays and sports days DH will be able to go and I will have the majority of the holidays with my children (even if I am doing prep or in the classroom at the time.) I am excited about it and have to at least give it a go. I have nothing else to go back to anyway.

ScienceTeacher · 13/01/2008 16:49

As for work hours, contact time at my school is from 8.30 till 4.15. We also have a meeting once a week that goes on till 5.30. We have to do prep once every half term, which runs until 6pm.

I am a morning person, and like to arrive at school as close to 7.30 as I can. I usually leave around 4.30 if I can. I don't mind staying late though. I do all of my marking at school, but will do research for lessons at home. I don't find this too much of a chore, as it's a case of surfing the web while I am watching TV.

I have a live-in aupair who takes care of my younger children. Within two years, all of my girls will be at my school, so I won't need any childcare (and assume that DH or friends can cope with insets and sickness).

ScienceTeacher · 13/01/2008 17:01

I think teaching is a wonderful job when you have children yourself. The holidays are brilliant. You don't have to work if you don't want to - those that do work in the holidays are choosing to.

The only family-unfriendly bit is that you can't take time off when you particularly want to - your only time off is in the rather generous school holidays. But seriously, who wants to go to a primary school nativity play? (sorry, but I say that as a mum of five, btdt).

My own career path has taken me from industry to teaching to a very long maternity leave back to teaching. Had I taken 8 years off from my corporate job, there is no way I could have returned. With a teaching qualification, I was able to work from the moment I wanted to. I did temporary jobs for a couple of years until I landed the 'perfect' one, but I gained a lot of experience in that time, and certainly know what side my bread is buttered on.

The pay is rubbish compared to what I could have made as an engineer, but I would not trade the holidays or the fact that I took eight years off. I look at my former colleagues from my industrial jobs who are now earning 100k, and I can very genuinely and happily say that I would not trade.

hercules1 · 13/01/2008 17:03

I agree about the pay. I am pretty sure I could be earning stacks more by now had I chosen a different career path but I cant see how the pay could have matched the worth of 13 weeks holiday.
When the kids are older I have lots of plans of what I will do with the holidays.

nooonit · 13/01/2008 17:05

I think, Twiglett, the whole thing with being a teacher and a working Mum is getting to a point where you can make things work for you, instead of against you!!! I was lucky that I became a working Mum 7yrs into my teaching career so I already had a fair bit of experience. The main things that have helped me are working for an understanding head (worth their weight in gold), having amazing TAs who are very supportive, a great nursery for my 3yr old DD and support of MIL.
I love my job (primary) and really miss my class as I've started maternity leave after Christmas (possibly giving this a rosy glow?!).
If you feel teaching is for you, go for it - I'm not the world's most organised person but make myself keep on top of important parts and prioritise! Don't forget you will get PPA time and NQT time non contact which make a world of difference.

Twiglett · 13/01/2008 17:05

it's less than half of what I'd make if I returned to my previous career .. but then it's a consession one makes to enable me to be home with my children for the bulk of their holidays

Maybe I am naive in thinking that one doesn't have to feel it's a vocation though, I really don't .. I think I would be very capable of being rather good at it .. but it's not my bliss .. it's a convenient concept of a career

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LadyMuck · 13/01/2008 17:08

Digressing slightly, but if you're happy with half the money, then how about working for half the year. I'm looking at getting shorter term contracts from Sept to Easter each year, so I would still have the bulk of the school holidays off. Don't know if you can do something similar in your previous line of work.

princessosyth · 13/01/2008 17:09

What about a Business studies lecturer in a further education college? You could try for a part time position until your children are in secondary school. I have a friend who does this and she loves it, you would probably need some childcare for the hols as colleges run on different terms they have a much longer summer break than schools but don't close for the half terms.

Twiglett · 13/01/2008 17:16

actually it's more like a third .. but you can't do my old role part-time .. and you have to devote most of your life to it .. you end up working through the night sometimes .. and you have to really care about what you're doing .. because you can't do it without belief .. I'm don't belieeeeeeve any more

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inamuckingfuddle · 13/01/2008 17:19

that happens in teaching too - I don't believe any more and although I have soon to be school age kids and earn a good salary compared to most teachers, I am about to pack it in

oxocube · 13/01/2008 17:22

I teach 3 days a week - Yr1. I have 3 kids, all in the same school so same holidays. I have to admit, its hard on my youngest who is 6. The other two are 10 and 12, we live 2 mins from school and they have a key so they spend less time hanging around. The little one has to be in school at 8ish when he starts at 9 and often has to wait 'til about 5 although his school day finishes at 3. I rely very heavily on friends when there are inset days - in fact, I rely heavily full stop for things like after school activities which I can't get the kids to because I am working or have a meeting.

The pluses are .......I love my job, my kids are happy because I am happy, if ds2 ever needs me, I am 3 feet away across the hall and yes, the school holidays. My kids come to school with me if I need to go in at weekends or during half-term.

PalomaPicasso · 13/01/2008 17:26

Why don't you work in the private sector? Longer holidays, don't have to deal with endless government initiatives, generally more civilised working environment (don't all shout at me at once, please). If your children are in the state sector you'll be on holiday by the time they are doing end of term plays/sports days etc. Perfect. Or if you want to put them in the private sector, you'll get a whacking staff discount (and then can watch their plays because you'll be on the staff and therefore watching them anyway).

Hulababy · 13/01/2008 17:28

As you probably know I left teaching. To me you do have to be dedicated to it completely to be a good teacher. I became dsillusioned with it all at secondary level - the constant classroom discipline/management and never being able to just get on and teach finished it for me. It became really depressing - to the extent that I actually find being in a prison a more pleasant and rewarding experience! And I am not joking with that either.

However if you are dedicated and you really do want to do it, then it can be a great career with lots of rewards despite the long hours and high levels of work, and potential stress levels.

My first few years I love it! I had the time to put in the work, and the impetus to keep going. And the school I was in provided the support, which is essential IME.

As for if it is family friendly...this is a strange one.

In as far as holidays go then yes it is. You get above average holidays and the majority will tie in with your own child's holidays. You do need to be aware, however, that ot all holidays, even within the same LEA, may match up every year, and INSETs will not necessarily be on the same days too. So you need to have child care arrangements to cover these situations.

You will also need child care for before and after school, as you need to arrive at school before the time you would drop your own child off at school. Similarly at the end of the day you will be at school after your own children finish school. Plan to have at least one night where you will be in a eeting, lasting about an hour at a time.

At secondary I think you often get away with working at home, much more so than at school. And your work load varies greatly with the time of year. I found Easer holidas a very heavy work load time due to GCSE and GNVQ coursework deadlines and end of year moderation.

On a day to day basis at secondary I would plan to be in school for about 8am, maybe earlier if you have an early start such as 8:30am as I did. I would then plan to be able to leave at about 4:30-5pm depending on meetings and what time school actually ends. Some days you can get away earlier, esp if you can take your work home.

I would factor in at least 1 hour prep/work to do per night at home - this will be more in the first few years IME. And factor in about half a day per weekend.

I worked PT, 3 days a week. As anyone who works PT knows, the work load will not be exactly proportionate to that ratio - it will be higher!

And remember that you cannot take time off for things like your own child's sports day, plays, Christmas concerts, etc. If I was still working I would have missed all but one of the activities DD was involved in last year. I didn't want to miss out on these thing so for me being out of it is a positive.

Child sickness is okay though - teachers usually get a set number of days that they can take off each year for dependant's care inc own child sickness.

If you opt for FE or adult education the situation may be more flexible but again it depends where you work. I am very lucky in prison education - which is a demand area BTW, as I can take my 12 weeks holiday when I choose and I have more choice over how many hours I work.

So, I have waffled on loads there, lol! Hope at least some of it is useful. Good luck with whatever you chose.

MicrowaveOnly · 13/01/2008 17:46

Completely agee Hulababy, I am just about to hand my notice in and finish with teaching for a while. I thought it would be family friendly, but I spend my evenings stressed and shouting at the kids cos I want them to get to bed so i can do marking. Then I invariably get roped into extra curricula which means I have to put my own kids in kids club after school.

And those bloody teenagers you teach are ungrateful and expect to be spoon fed all the time.grrr.

I look forward to doing my own kids homework with them and not other kids!

I look forward to not getting stressed after a day where pupils decide for no reason at all to give you a hard time cos they don't feel like working.

Oh to have 5 mins to myself and a cup of tea. SAHM here I come!!!!!!

...not that I want to put you off or anything

MicrowaveOnly · 13/01/2008 17:49

Hulaby what did you do after stopping teaching?

to be honest i will go back to it later but it will have to be part time or maybe supply teaching now and again. Do you miss it?

VanillaPumpkin · 13/01/2008 17:55

My mum has worked in a mix of state school and private sector. She is in private at the moment and I have never know her work so hard. She gets the longer holidays but boy does she work for them. The parents are much more demanding as they are of course paying for a service and she is doing ridiculous hours term time (7.30-10 some days with boarding duties). She cannot believe it as she jokes a teacher of her experience should be home at 4 every day . She does have a management role though, which I will avoid at least while children are small. I will need to go back to work if I ever want us to have our own home and for the area we want to live in teaching earns a fairish wage...

Hulababy · 13/01/2008 17:55

I now work in a prison. I originally started at the prison - adult and YO males, cat C up to lifers - as a lecturer PT. You need a L4 subject specialism and a teaching qual to do this, as you do with teaching. I then moved into IAG (information, advice and guidance). They have since decided you need to have or work towards a L4 in IAG for this role in prisons. I work PT through choice. I see prisoners to discuss their short to long term plans within the prison, guide them through their sentence re, education and training, and hello them with prep for release plans too. I also sit on sentence plan and recat boards where I discuss prisoners with the offices and determine the prisoner's targets throughout their sentences, and make decisions re their recat to open prison etc. It is really interesteing and also very flexible.

However the salary scale is currently being changed for IAG in prisons so not sure where it all stands. I am currently employed on a lecturer scale with lecturer holidays and benefits, I believe new IAG workers will be different. I am exempt from change for now

I ddid enjoy doing the teaching in prison TBH, was really interesting.

Hulababy · 13/01/2008 17:58

Mcrowaveoven - no, I don't miss teaching now. I was so disillusioned by the end of it sadly. My last 2 or 3 years were an awful experience and has left me with no desire to return, at least not yet.

BTW, a friend of mine does supply at primary and loves it. Been doing it for about 4 years. She is currently doing mat cover but has decided to return to supply again. She gets loads of work, is always in demand and love the whole go to work and come home" part of it and feels she gets o do all the good bits without the stressful aspects so much.

In the future I ave considered doing some primary training and considering supply in that field perhaps.

ScienceTeacher · 13/01/2008 18:02

I teach in the private sector and love it. I don't have discipline problems, can really teach for 35 minutes out of the 40 minute period, love my colleagues and pupils. That's all before mentioning the 19 weeks holiday a year.

I could not teach long term in a comprehensive school, even a good one. It's just not me and I'd rather not work at all than do that. I am immensely in awe of those teachers who take it in their stride.

Hulababy · 13/01/2008 18:04

19 weeks holiday!!! I though DD got a lot with 16 weeks (3 more than state), but 9 is tons!

ScienceTeacher · 13/01/2008 18:13

I know - it's lovely!

motherinferior · 13/01/2008 18:13

Twig, I would personally be wary of going into teaching solely on the basis of it being 'family friendly' - my mother did this, and I think it really took its toll on her because essentially, teaching wasn't what she wanted to do. It's an intensive, demanding job - and one which clearly gives a huge amount of gratification and reward to people who do want to do it (I'd include a lot of the teachers at my kids' school in that!) - but which does need that commitment in terms of rewarding you, personally, not just your need for hours.

jennifersofia · 13/01/2008 18:22

Oh, meant to mention that I am in same LEA as my children and we don't always get the same holidays.. so watch out for that one. Usually it is just a day or so out, but at christmas, for instance, I went off 2 days earlier than them, and they went back 2 days later than me, essentially meaning that the time we could take off together was 4 days short.

Twiglett · 13/01/2008 18:22

sick of people telling me I'd be a bloody good teacher .. I'm beginning to think they might know something I don't

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motherinferior · 13/01/2008 18:25

You'd have to deal with, you know, kids.