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Support for struggling reception DD

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INeedNewShoes · 06/12/2021 20:25

DD is 4.5 and started reception in September. She was excited about school and both her nursery and I thought she was ready (as much as they can be).

She's always been quite reserved in big groups of children so I opted for a small school where there are 12 children in reception.

DD speaks very negatively about school. Although, when pressed, she will actually admit that there's a lot that she likes about it but she just seems to focus entirely on the stuff she doesn't like.

From everything I can see, the teaching staff and TAs are all lovely and the children are too. Most of the children are getting on well and enjoying school and are encouraged to be inclusive. I'm actually pretty sure that the other children are not the problem here.

Every morning DD and I have to go through a performance of 'I don't want to go to school'. I've tried every way of managing this - distraction, saying positive things about school, sitting down, validating and talking about why she doesn't want to go, ignoring. Obviously my failure here is that I haven't been consistent in my approach.

She is often quite foul to me at pick up time but generally this diffuses by the time we get home. I've stopped saying 'have you had a nice day?' as a greeting because invariably she will say (loudly) that she hasn't, or even worse has had a 'horrible' day. I now just talk to her about something unrelated.

This evening, for the umpteenth time, she started saying how school is 'disgusting' and that she doesn't want to go. I asked her what specifically had happened that was a problem and she said 'they hit me'. This has become a recurring theme. I'm pretty sure it's the hustle and bustle of the playground. The first time she said it, I mentioned it to her teacher who said she'd keep an eye on things but DD keeps bringing it up. 9 times out of 10 she can't name who has 'hit' her. To be honest, I'm dubious about this. At such a tiny school I cannot imagine it going unnoticed if one child was being hit on a regular basis by other children and also had it been malicious surely DD would remember who it was! Also she's never had any marks or really seemed to actually be genuinely upset. It feels as though she has hooked onto this as a thing to say.

It's so difficult because I just feel as though I'm not getting a clear picture of what DD's problem is.

At parents evening she got a glowing report including that she joins in well with group activities and will speak up and contribute so I don't think it's crippling shyness at play.

DD will often say that she ended up playing on her own at playtime but it isn't because the others aren't including her; it's because she happened not to want to play the particular game they were playing so through her own choice she stays on her own but then feels sad about it. I've seen this with my own eyes at parties or at the playground after school. Other children will come up to her and ask her to go with them/play and she doesn't.

It has gone on for so long that I'm worried that if I don't somehow sort the situation out soon that she will have ingrained into her psyche that she hates school.

I also worry that the other children are going to stop making an effort with her if she doesn't respond with at least a tiny bit of warmth. She's basically antisocial at school, yet outside of school has some lovely friendships with my friends' kids of all ages.

I have some similar traits in that socialising in big groups was never my thing but at her age school was a doddle socially for me and I just worry that it's only going to get harder from here.

I'm wondering if I shot us in the foot choosing the smaller school. Maybe at the big school she would have been more likely to find friends who happen to like the same things she does.

I'm feeling at the end of my tether this evening and have let DD know that I'm frustrated with it which I know won't help.

I have decided to speak to the school again tomorrow but I'm wondering if there is outside help available. Would some form of therapy help. I feel like I've tried to ignore/make light of it for too long really and if things don't get better we might have real issues in store.

Aside from school days it's starting to permeate our other days as well as she'll just start randomly talking about how she doesn't want to go to school on Monday.

If anyone has any thoughts/advice I will be very grateful to hear it.

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OnlyFoolsnMothers · 06/12/2021 20:29

Oh I’m sorry OP, like it isn’t hard enough choosing a school and worrying. How small is small? Do you think possibly she’s attention seeking from you, wants to be home with you- has anyone else ever picked her up or dropped her off and experienced a different attitude?

MistyFrequencies · 06/12/2021 20:38

Oh my god, literally you just described my daughter. Age, play etc etc. I'm not sure what to do so have meeting booked with teacher. I have a friend who is a psychologist so going to seek their advice too, if I get anything useful I'll message you.

Morechocmorechoc · 06/12/2021 20:46

What helped us eas playmates. Just one or two people from school who she gets on woth best....ask the teachers. Try and set up something with their parents. If she sees them as friends outside school may be more likely to engage in school. A lot of effort for you but sounds necessary. It takes time but will help

INeedNewShoes · 06/12/2021 20:47

How small is small?

fewer than 40 children in total across 3 years (it's an infants school)

Do you think possibly she’s attention seeking from you, wants to be home with you

I'm sure this is a factor. DD used to do 3 long days at nursery so she spent the same number of hours away from me but compressed into three long days, which left four days a week for her and I just to do our own thing and we'd generally be having a nice time. Some days were very low key as I'm self employed so would sometimes be working while she entertained herself (very happily) and other days we'd go off for days out or long walks or whatever. I'm missing those days too and the way DD is about school I honestly wish I'd deferred her for a year to extend our nice preschool time together!

has anyone else ever picked her up or dropped her off and experienced a different attitude?

Yep, generally she doesn't bother with the whole 'I don't like school' performance for other people (whether in the morning or after school)

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MrsPleasant · 06/12/2021 20:48

I was exactly the same at that age. For me, things improved somewhat once I made a best friend in y2, I didn't cope well being one of a large group. Ultimately, I just wanted to be at home with my mum and although I was never bullied and did well in school, I don't ever remember being happy at any point in my entire school career. Somewhat ironically, I'm now a teacherConfused

Phalarope · 06/12/2021 20:57

So she tells you repeatedly that she doesn’t like school…but actually when she’s there she’s having what appears to be a good (enough) time, joins in, doing well?
What if you just take all the home pressure off - don’t ask her about it, don’t talk to her about it. “What was for lunch” is my most successful post-school gambit, then move on to chatting about something else.

We ignore any “I don’t want to go to school” stuff and just keep ploughing on with getting ready - it’s not an option so no point discussing it. Just go “mmm” and wander off.

onlyreadingneverposting8 · 06/12/2021 20:59

As a Mum of 9 I say BELIEVE your child. I have children who have loved school and gone through the school system. I also have 3 children who have not coped with school at all and we home educate all our children now. These 3 all knew they exactly what they did/didn't like about school from minute one. Do not make your child fit school make the school fit your child. Don't be fobbed off by teachers saying she's fine in school. If your child says they are not fine or hate school believe them!

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 06/12/2021 21:30

Just purely guessing no such experience- I wonder if she’s picking up any (not negativity) but almost apprehension from you about her being at school and not at home.
I’d speak with the teachers again, but stop giving it life, don’t focus on the idea of school when at home.

INeedNewShoes · 06/12/2021 23:27

but actually when she’s there she’s having what appears to be a good (enough) time, joins in, doing well?

Yes, I think so. I just wish I could be a fly on the wall for a day and see what is really going on.

but stop giving it life, don’t focus on the idea of school when at home.

This is the tack I've been taking but it's exhausting and after weeks of this I now worry about being dismissive in case there are significant issues that need addressing.

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whatamilookingfor · 06/12/2021 23:34

You poor thing OP. That sounds completely miserable. I think it's action stations. Could you take her out now and re group in January? Legally she doesn't have to be in school til 5. Then maybe explain that she has to go to school but that lots of things can be put in place to make it better. And then can the school work on a plan with you? Half days for spring term, short weeks, could you look at different schools etc? All this v tricky if you have a job though obviously.

bluetowers · 07/12/2021 07:09

Do you give her a snack at pick up?
Is she in afterschool club?
She may also just be finding it totally exhausting.
Also get her eyes & ears checked as things like that are common but make school very hard: and often aren't an issue until school type activities start

Decktheschools · 07/12/2021 07:14

Just a thought but could there be sensory issues? Obviously there's not much information but do you think there's any chance she could be autistic and having to mask at school?

INeedNewShoes · 07/12/2021 07:34

Just a thought but could there be sensory issues?

I don't think she's autistic but it wouldn't surprise me if there's something neurodiverse that could be supported. I'm pretty sure I have ADHD. I will ask the teacher about this. I'm hoping to speak to someone today.

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INeedNewShoes · 07/12/2021 07:41

Thanks bluetowers

She's had her eyes tested recently and her hearing seems fine.

I pick up her after school. She doesn't go to after school club.

I don't take a snack to the school gate but she has one after school. Sometimes we walk home which takes half an hour and by the time we get home she has always recovered from her post school meltdown/grumpiness.

She doesn't seem exhausted/tired as she'll often run the walk home and has plenty of energy to play once we get back. She rarely just flops in front of the TV even though I encourage her to sometimes.

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OnlyFoolsnMothers · 07/12/2021 09:29

I really wouldn't pull her out of school to keep at home- if you want to transfer schools then yes but to keep her home sends entirely the wrong message. What about viewing the larger school with her and seeing if she can articulate anything she likes more than her current school?

bluetowers · 07/12/2021 09:32

The playing alone thing isn't uncommon. My DD did that and said exactly that, a lot at that age. Didn't last past reception.
It does sound like maybe she'd just rather be at home!!

INeedNewShoes · 07/12/2021 09:33

I really wouldn't pull her out of school to keep at home

I agree. The only reason I get her to school every day is that she's under the impression that it's 'the rules' unless you're really unwell.

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INeedNewShoes · 07/12/2021 09:35

What about viewing the larger school with her and seeing if she can articulate anything she likes more than her current school?

I am wondering about doing this. I do worry though that then she'll think she can choose her school, which of course would be fine if she decided to choose the big school and then was happy there but could be difficult if she changes school and is still unhappy.

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OnlyFoolsnMothers · 07/12/2021 09:48

due to covid we couldnt view any schools last year, so I did the tour of our other choice last month. It just helped put my mind at rest that I chose the best school for us.

Mistyplanet · 08/12/2021 09:55

Ive had two boys go through primary and they've both been like this at various phases but at the moment are enjoying school esp my eldest whos in y4 now in a smallish class. Small class sizes are good imo. Its probably as your daughter is one of the younger ones shes finding school challenging. If you think shed benefit from more time at home you could explore pulling her out and starting at school in reception at age 5. There's a webpage on facebook "flexible admissions for summer borns" where you can get advice on this. For example my son is August born so im applying for him to start school with the cohort below than his actual year group. Each county has different rules on this however. Where I am its apparently easy to get acceptance for this but for other areas its more difficult. Worth exploring though if you think shes not emotionally ready for school. Otherwise I think see what the teacher says. Its early days still and she could be still settling in. My kids tend to complain to me as mums a safe person to complain to. If she gets home and shes happy to go off and play it doesnt sound like she's too upset.

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