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Child given ADHD medication unnecessarily

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beatrice82 · 22/11/2021 11:52

Does anyone have experience of a child being given medicine for ADHD when they don't really have this condition? I think there's been a misdiagnosis because when I spend time with this child in an educational setting, I don't see any ADHD behaviours. His parents are at the end of their tether when them at home though. I would say this is more likely because of lack of boundaries. I wasn't asked what my observations of him in school are, which I find odd as I spend 3 days a week working with this child. I'm sad he's being medicated and hope it doesn't change his personality. Will he be ok? ☹️

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OnyxOryx · 22/11/2021 13:37

@beatrice82

In the last 10 minutes, I've learnt that ADHD behaviours can be masked in various settings.

A diagnosis can be underway for several years.

Medication doesn't affect a person's personality.

Brilliant. Thank you - really useful.

And screw you to all the unkind people who commented. You don't even know me. I'm great at my job and care a great deal about all the pupils I work with.

Unfortunately it seems you haven't learnt not to jump to conclusions and to show some damn respect to people who might actually know what they're taking about. Your arrogance is astounding. You're not great at your job, you're very unprofessional and you need to lose the attitude that you know best.
Rosemaryandlemon · 22/11/2021 13:39

@Psychonabike so well put. I remember having an “education” session on my child’s condition with some other parents. The psychiatrist had a set of slides which were clearly for other doctors - not parents. Up jumps a slide all about Fabricated and Induced Illness and Safeguarding. The psychiatrist was very embarrassed and lots of “ooh I have no concerns about any parents here”. One Dad piped up, “it’s amazing my kid also has diabetes and not once are these issues raised, but I could be feeding him rubbish, not doing his tests, so there could equally be safeguarding issues, why because it’s “neurodevelopmental and/or mental health” does my parenting get questioned all the time?” The psychiatrist didn’t have an answer.

mumwon · 22/11/2021 13:40

ADHD medication doesn't dope the dc - it make it easier for them to concentrate & strangely sleep at night time (considering they are usually stimulants)

InstantHorlicks · 22/11/2021 13:40

This is so sad to read.

The child parents will have a enough to cope with. Thank goodness you were not asked to submit your uneducated opinion.
And you’ve learned from this thread you say? You could have taught yourself quite a lot, from google, before posting your nonsense opinion.

Branleuse · 22/11/2021 13:40

Im on ADHD medication and so are 2 of my children and it hasnt changed any of our personalitys. I think you need to back right off and work on your boundaries

Sirzy · 22/11/2021 13:44

Ds has full time 1-1 I would be mighty pissed off if I discovered she had been slagging us off online like this.

If you want to be able to help the child talk to the parents, talk to the senco, ask them what things are best to help him. Be part of the team.

Look online for more information on the wider condition but when it comes to helping this individual child look at him.

Also worth looking at the coke bottle effect which may help understand the difference between home and school.

MaryAndGerryLivingInDerry · 22/11/2021 13:45

I would guess the OP wasn’t involved in the assessment process because she only started with him 6 months ago and if this child’s assessment was anything like what my son experienced then his teacher and TA reports were done long ago. Everything takes so fucking long. My son is on the waiting list for ASD assessment. (For the second time- joy) they did my parental interview in September. They said the next step will be speaking with his school and then speaking to him. “When will that be?” I asked. “Ooh well you’re looking at about an 18 month wait.” Hmm I started the process 6 years ago.

Clymene · 22/11/2021 13:46

@Coronawireless

Indeed. A lot of aggression here. Ask any social worker about the levels of hostility they often encounter when concerns are raised about children. It doesn’t mean people should stop asking.
If the OP had phrased this as a question rather than a statement, I think she would have had a very different response.

Also I find it quite worrying that someone who provides 1-2-1 support to children has such limited understanding of a neurological condition that frequently means children need extra support at school or the assessment and diagnosis process

gogohm · 22/11/2021 13:49

Unfortunately op whilst you are obviously concerned for this child, it's a very sensitive issue. Many parents here will have been accused of poor parenting by ill informed professionals so you hit a raw nerve. Actually there is an overlap between adhd symptoms and those from poor parenting (and children can have both). The senco is trained specifically in this area as are camhs, school psychologists etc so I would suggest raising your concerns initially with your senco if you are worried. But I will reiterate what others have said about masking, my dd was an angel at school, I have permanent scars from the violence she showed towards me

Cherrytart23 · 22/11/2021 13:49

My dd is awaiting assessment she goes out of class for 1.1 3 times aweek as she can't concentrate in class so 1.1 works wonders for her.
There must be a reason why this child needs 1.1 with you.
The sen teacher will have filled the forms in but will have either monitored the child themselves or asked his actual class teacher how he is your input is not needed.

Branleuse · 22/11/2021 13:49

Gets a 1 to 1 LSA at school. Has recieved formal diagnosis and yet these are apparently shit parents and theres nothing wrong with the kid.
Obviously these educational provisions and educational healthcare plans and diagnoses are so so easy to get.

puddleduck234 · 22/11/2021 13:50

There is a fab channel on you tube called "how to ADHD" there is a lot more to ADHD than being the "naughty kid" and different types. Females are often not diagnosed early as they tend to have inattentive ADHD (used to be called ADD) where boys tend to have the hyperactive element which is more noticeable in schools.

DontKnowWhatToThink7 · 22/11/2021 13:56

Surely if a child has 1:1 support three times a week they will have significant needs. You don't just get a 1:1 for nothing.

LODReturn · 22/11/2021 13:56

When going through diagnosis, we were referred to Barnados to see if it was a parenting issue before we could be put on the waiting list for CAMHS. Getting the diagnosis was not easy.

There is a lot of misinformation and bigotry about ADHD and it's treatment - often from people who have no understanding of it and probably wouldn't last a week in my shoes.

DS is a rule follower and will mask in situations outside of the home. I forgot to give him his meds one day last week. I knew he would be fine at school but that my evening would be ruined. Home is his safe space where everything comes out. It can be so hard but often nobody else sees this and assume I've got DS on meds for an easy life.

DS is on meds so that he can access the curriculum. So that he can sit at a desk for an hour at a time without having to walk around and disrupt. So that he can sit and listen without interrupting and explaining the 10 different things that pop into his head. DS once described his brain as feeling as though Alexa, the TV and radio were all playing different things full blast. The meds allow him to focus on one at a time. We don't medicate at the weekend as there is less need to focus and conform.

Making the decision to medicate was not easy. I was worried about the side effects versus benefits, whether I would lose his wonderful personality and the judgement of others. When making the decision, my friend said that I did not have to justify to anyone why I give him his meds but one day I might have to justify to him why I didn't. That struck me.

The meds themselves have not been an easy journey either. We are now on a medication that works but every time he goes for obs I'm scared they will take him off because his height/weight/blood pressure are not right and we have to start over again.

Having a child with ADHD is so much harder than anyone will every really understand. The judgement and stigma only make a tough job even tougher.

OP - you may have genuinely been surprised about the diagnosis but your OP was extremely hurtful to all of the parents who have had to fight to get their kids on an even playing field. Your uneducated opinion regarding the condition and medication is why so many people don't follow up or accept the help. Would you be saying a kid shouldn't have an asthma pump as you had never seen them have an attack? Of course you wouldn't. You would accept that a medical professional had diagnosed and that the condition was under control because of the treatment.

Sorry for the long post - the OP brought back all of the emotions and stress I had to deal with when going through diagnosis and have had to deal with since.

ElftonWednesday · 22/11/2021 13:57

It's very hard to get this kind of medication for children. AFAIK they would have to be prescribed by a psychiatrist, they can't just be prescribed by a GP. So it won't have been done lightly or without due consideration.

DoubleShotEspresso · 22/11/2021 14:06

This post confirms and highlights that huge inadequacy within the SEND system.
OP are you new in this field? I'm stunned at some of your statements . If you had any idea of ADHD, meds or the battle to get either a diagnosis or prescription your post would read quite differently

Ghoulette · 22/11/2021 14:18

My daughter is brilliant at school, but shows extreme signs of ADHD and Autism at home. They will NOT have given this child medication if he did not need it.

Keep out of it or you couold cause that family a whole world of issues that they have finally fixed. If you are REALLY that concerned then hand it over to the SEDN professionals and safeguarding at the school

OnyxOryx · 22/11/2021 14:19

OP - you may have genuinely been surprised about the diagnosis but your OP was extremely hurtful to all of the parents who have had to fight to get their kids on an even playing field. Your uneducated opinion regarding the condition and medication is why so many people don't follow up or accept the help

Sorry for the long post - the OP brought back all of the emotions and stress I had to deal with when going through diagnosis and have had to deal with since.

This is what has pisse me off so much about this thread. You've vocalised what a lot of posters will be feeling. But the OPs sole response to this distress, which she has caused, has been "screw you, unkind people".

OnyxOryx · 22/11/2021 14:24

She can't even recognise distress and yet she thinks she should be able to have a say in deciding whether this child experiences any or is coping just fine.

Franklydear · 22/11/2021 14:25

@OnyxOryx unfortunately that is s common attitude in school staff, the head tilted I looked at this for five minutes and I found you at fault, as I have not seen the difficulties you speak of, so you're clearly making it up, cos having a child with Sen is sooo fun, you would make it up

ittakes2 · 22/11/2021 14:29

OP I delayed putting my daughter on meds for years - and when I finally did I wished I had done it sooner. She was not only still herself - she was more herself than she had been in years. Having ADD causes a lot of anxiety in children because they subconsiously know things aren't quite right and they try hard to follow the rules and they can often manage it in a school setting - but it can't be maintained 24/7.

TractorAndHeadphones · 22/11/2021 14:29

@OnyxOryx

OP - you may have genuinely been surprised about the diagnosis but your OP was extremely hurtful to all of the parents who have had to fight to get their kids on an even playing field. Your uneducated opinion regarding the condition and medication is why so many people don't follow up or accept the help

Sorry for the long post - the OP brought back all of the emotions and stress I had to deal with when going through diagnosis and have had to deal with since.

This is what has pisse me off so much about this thread. You've vocalised what a lot of posters will be feeling. But the OPs sole response to this distress, which she has caused, has been "screw you, unkind people".

Exactly! I highly doubt that she’s an excellent, caring and professional TA if this is her attitude. Shame on you OP. Shame, shame, shame.
PerfectlyUnsuitable · 22/11/2021 14:32

[quote Franklydear]@PerfectlyUnsuitable because her concern comes from pity for the child and contempt for the parents, and that it’s what needs to change[/quote]
Different issue imo but this is a fair point!

Pity and contempt have no place in looking after a child with ADHD and OTHER physical disabilities, bad enough to requite a 1-1.

Branleuse · 22/11/2021 14:35

you only have to look at the stats for young people with unmanaged ADHD to realise that the risks of not treating are much higher than the risks of treating

beatrice82 · 22/11/2021 14:36

@puddleduck234

There is a fab channel on you tube called "how to ADHD" there is a lot more to ADHD than being the "naughty kid" and different types. Females are often not diagnosed early as they tend to have inattentive ADHD (used to be called ADD) where boys tend to have the hyperactive element which is more noticeable in schools.
I've just had a look at this - brilliant! I've also just watched a half hour YouTube video by "Understood" which was really informative. I definitely feel a lot more clued in and they explained how the medication works, as well as the different ways ADHD presents.
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