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East Surrey Prep schools

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Combe44 · 17/01/2021 08:45

Hi - looking to move my DCs from The Hawthorns. Any recommendations. We’re in Reigate. Thanks

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LIZS · 17/01/2021 10:45

Where do you hope they may go for secondary? Might be worth considering RSM/RGS or Caterham if those are on your radar longer term and get an easier passage through.

suchnonsense · 18/01/2021 18:09

Hi - I hear good things about RSM, but no direct experience. We're thinking of Hawthorns for our children, so it would be great to know why you're thinking of moving (understand if you'd rather not say though).

Barts4 · 18/01/2021 20:32

Nice school but I’m not thrilled with the teaching. Other than art which is outstanding it’s fairly mediocre. Their offer in the first lockdown was fairly average for prep schools but they have upped their game a little in terms of live lessons this time round. I think it suits some children well but it’s just not for ours who seem a little bored by the sometimes sedentary pace,

PigletMum40 · 18/01/2021 20:36

Micklefield? If RGS/Caterjam/Dunottar are 11+ destinations it could work well.

Barts4 · 19/01/2021 12:28

The eldest has a place at Tonbridge but can’t go till Year 9. Looking for somewhere where he’d be stretched/kept up to the mark for Y7/8.

WombatChocolate · 22/01/2021 12:20

Consider if you want one which feeds into a linked senior school.

Hawthorns doesn’t and has links with lots of senior schools and looks to find the right fit for everyone from their mixed ability intake.

RSM and Caterham and the others too have mixed ability intakes too but are looking to move most to their linked senior school. There are positives in that they might not have the pressure to take entrance exams, but also the schools don’t have the incentive to prepare them to the levels required for competitive entry. Anecdotally, it’s easier to get in from linked prep schools, but then some struggle because they wouldn’t have got in if sitting the entrance exam. Depends if your child might be marginal and if you are keen for them to go to the more academic seniors and are concerned about being at the bottom or not, if this is an issue for you.

When most children go onto one senior school, it also creates a different feel. There is a sense that most will continue together. Lots like this for continuity whilst others feel a bit of a fresh start with more new children would be good. For those who do t go o to the linked senior, things can feel pretty tricky, especially if they haven’t been given the pass to the senior school. The final year isn’t always a great experience if you’re not goi g the route of the majority and actually some leave at the end of Yr5 if that is the case.

Stand-alone Preps often feed lots of senior schools like the Hawthorns does. Some like that their child of unknown ability can enter at 4 and as their abilities become known, a suitable school can be found. Others find the necessity to prep for entrance exams an unbearable burden. People in this kind of Prep. Are in their view about how well the school Oreos their children for the exams. Tutoring is often rife, as people fear the fact kids in state schools are tutored for the exams,

If you feel the pace at one school is sedentary, the question is, how will you be able to judge the pace of learning elsewhere? A tour or talking to the Head doesn’t really reveal that. I looked at a number of Preps in the area a few years ago and always asked to loo at their Maths and English exercise books to see the quantity of written work. Lots of people might say that’s another a good indicator, but I found it useful and that most schools weren’t over keen to show me.

Things I might ask about and compare to the existing school are things like the grouping (or absence of it) at different ages in Maths and English and the amount of teaching in form groups vs ability groups.

In the end, I think it’s easy to feel a bit disgruntled with independent schools. Sometimes you can pin it down and sometimes it’s hard to know what the issue is. But crucially, it’s often really hard to see if any alternative school will actually be better in those areas.

And it’s so hard at the moment when you can’t visit. Making a move at this point really does feel a. It like a leap in the dark.

But good luck. Depending on where you live, Hazelwood in Oxted is another big 13+ Prep (that’s another question - do you want 13+ exit or 11+ which is becoming more and more the norm if you’re. It looking at the public schools which start at 13) and there’s Micklefield, Reigate (sending about half to RGS and half to Dunnottar) and the smaller schools around Caterham like Oakhyrst Grange, Essendene Lodge etc. There are also a number within the M25 as you head up the A23 or A217 which send children south and north for secondary.

A lot depends on the age of your child. Are they young and just i to school or close to moving onto seniors. What are your plans for seniors....you really have to work backwards.

WombatChocolate · 22/01/2021 12:23

Barts4 ...are you the Op, or someone enquiring with a similar question?

Not many schools still going to 13 and probably Hawthorns does it pretty well because it has decent numbers staying in still whilst some are very small behind 11. Hazelwood, Oxted is still 13+ and Copthorne down towards Gatwick is too. What about the Kent schools which feed Tonbridge?

Barts4 · 22/01/2021 22:38

Thanks for the very comprehensive response. It’s much appreciated. The eldest has an unconditional offer to Tonbridge so exam entry isn’t a worry. Simply a matter of being kept working and challenged. Quite a lot of use of iPads at his current school and not a great deal of rigour, much of quantity or depth in the exercise books. It sounds like that prep school with a strong Year 7 and 8 might not exist round here. As you say, you get a much better feel for a school if you visit in person and see the children and teachers in action.

WombatChocolate · 23/01/2021 09:47

Bart...I couldn’t tell from your original post if your child is currently at RSM or Hawthorns.

I’ve known people move from RSM to Hawthorns because they wanted to go to schools like Tonbridge or Winchester. Hawthorns always takes a few into Yr7 each year....it’s a mix of those leaving their 11+ Preps who didnt get into their linked senior school and rather than go for 11+ elsewhere decided to go for 13+, plus those who always wanted 13+ senior schools. When looking for schools for Yr7 and 8 you need to make sure you get feedback on the experience in those years and not from parents who are in the pre-prep or much lower down the Prep. yr 7 and 8 is a very different experience with Preps looking to produce something if the senior experience within a Prep environment. A lot of it is about being a big fish in a smaller pond with lots of opportunities for service and leadership, as well as subject specialist teaching. So ask around about whether the schools do have subject specialists to teach science and languages etc and whether they are teaching what the junior years in senior schools would cover. Are they still following common entrance or not (most aren’t, but will prepare for it if needed). The difficulty is there are lots of parents reviewing and feeding back in these schools lower down, but n8t so many for Yr7 and 8 which is a very different experience. Some of these 13+ schools really come into their own and excel at that point. But it’s also an odd experience with many children reporting that they feel like they are just waiting to move on...many of their friends have already gone o to sedpcondary school at 11 and becaus they already have their senior offers through deferred entry, they know where they are going, probably don’t have entrance exams to incentivise them, and often just feel they are waiting to go...but there’s no avoiding it if you want a 13+ entry school is there.

I agree the choice is increasingly small of 13+ Preps, but a key thing seems to find one with a decent size of Yr7 and 8. You’d want 2 Form groups I think as otherwise things like Team sport just don’t have enough children.

Quite a lot of people moving onto public school at 13 go to boarding Preps from 11. Is that an option? Probably not what you want if he won’t board at Tonbridge.

Barts4 · 24/01/2021 11:25

Thanks for that. Numbers are small in 7&8 at Hawthorns; currently 13 in Y7 and all boys, I don’t see it existing as a 13+ school for much longer which is why I ask as I’ve 2 others lower down. May need to cast the net a little wider to find a prep with a decent sized Y7/8 and the academic push and rigour I’m after.

Dada88 · 03/02/2021 07:34

So u mean y9 2023 entry has given out offer ?

Barts4 · 03/02/2021 14:05

Yup. They’re divided into provisional and unprovisional places. Provisional means they’ve to take a paper test in Y7 in english/maths

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