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totally confused re dcs primary education - i really need som help please please read!

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olala · 13/10/2007 21:14

This is a long and complex story but I hope you will be able to bear with me. And yes I am a name changer by the way!

My dd1 went to a religious school for nursery and reception. I couldn't stomach it at all, mainly becasue of the sheer hypocrisy of it - not the fact that everyone was not religious but had lied to get in, I fell into that category myself, but that lots of parents were single parents / not married / re married but not to the dad of their dc etc, and they all just lied. THey would put rings on their wedding ring fingers, change their surnames at school to match theyr dcs surnames, and generally must have made their dcs extrenely confused about what was and was not ok, in terms of family composition. One day I saw a display up in the school foyer 'MY FAMILY' - pictures, with labels, of mum, dad, and children. No mention of any of the multitude of alternatives. The school was pretty posh, and there was a feeling sometimes that we should all be grateful to go there. I moved house when dc1 was almost at the end of reception, to 2 buses away from that school - I was forced to move, money, relationship etc issues. And it was a nightmare getting him there. I looked at the school nearest to our house, it seemed lovely - a bit rough around the edges perhaps, lots of kids on free school meals, and low SATS results, but a decent ofsted and a friendly head. When we looked around the pupils were courteous and well behaved. It was a lovely diverse mix of children, and I moved him there.

He started the following September. Settled in well, had a truly inspirational teacher, and I was so pleased with my decision. The following year he had a truly truly awful teacher. He regressed academically and was bored to tears often. The year after that (last year) he had another utterly brilliant teacher. And now we are back to the diabolical one again. He doesn't believe in the national curriculum, he doesn't believe in homework, he doesn't seem to believe in basic levels of literacy! DC1 has not taken home a reading book once this term.

And then there are the school governors - they are birtually all staff. Even the ones who started as parent governors, have then gone on to get jobs in the school, and so are now staff there. So there is no independence whatsoever, no accountability from the schools management to the governors, as they are the same people or their friends. There are a couple of really good parents governors on there also, but they are drowning in amongst what can only be described as an intimidating clique.

And there's more....is anyone still reading?? if so thanks.....

The other parents. I've changed my name so I am going to be brutally honest here. There are about 8 middle class families in the school. When we arrived to the school, I thought, oh how fantastic, we will have such a diverse range of friends, and we will go to Eid parties and divali parties and it will be just great. Not so. Not even a tiny bit. We have a lovely group of friends, those 8 middle class families, I have tried and tried to befriend so many parents there who are not middle class, and it just doesn't happen. My m;c friends have found the same. A lot of the parents are seriously dim, they watch tv all day whilst the dcs are at school, then they pick them up, provide them with some crap to eat, take them home and plug them into a computer game or a TV for the evening. At a recent children's party at one of my dcs friends houses (she was 4) a group of Mum's danced in a rather sexualised (AHEM!) way in front of a large plasma screen showing MTV or something. Most alarmingly, a number of the little 4 yos, obviously with those bloody bratz dolls coming out of their ears, were copying. I came away thinking what a terrible mistake. These people have nothing to offer my dc, they have moronic conversations about the things they are going to buy from a catalogue. THey do nothing all day yet never volunteer to go on trips with the dcs or help out at PTA events. Some of them have those pit bull dogs. And at this years summer fete, one mum whilst holding baby, punched another one, for pushing in front of her dc in the face painting queue!

Now, years on, my 2nd dc goes there also. Just started reception. Eldest dc is in Y4. They are both happy and settled, albeit amonst morons. They are doing ok academically but not anything like what I, their mother, with my super biased perspective, thinks they could be acheiving.

There are 2 possible schools I could move them too, both better, smaller, closer. But I am scared I will unsettled DC1 terribly. Am also, shamefully, having been so dead against private schools, considering a lovely one about 30 mins drive away.

If there are any MNs still reading, then I thank you most graciously, you are troopers!

Please tell me what you think I should do.

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olala · 13/10/2007 21:15

wow, it really is long. I could do an abriged version:

'Help, I think I have made a terrible mistake with my dcs education and am worried its now too late to resolve and would like Team MN to sort it all out for me'

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TheodoresMummy · 13/10/2007 21:23

Personally, I would move to another school.

Sounds horrible.

olala · 13/10/2007 21:26

REally? I know, it is quite horrible sometimes. But the children are happy. But I am getting this feeling, with increasing regularity and alarm, that they could be happier elsewhere.

but DC1 has now been in 2 primary schools and is only 8. If I move him now...do you not think that will seriously unsettle him? OR am I just being a wimp?

Thanks so much for reading and answering btw.

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jamila169 · 13/10/2007 21:28

Move em!

olala · 13/10/2007 21:29

jamila - thanks! Is it really that clear cut?

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bojangles · 13/10/2007 21:29

I think I would look at changing schools. Understandbly you want the best for your DC's and whilst a move may be unsettlting short term the potential long term problems of them underacheiving and feeling very different to their peers would imo be worse. Good luck.

olala · 13/10/2007 21:30

Am i not just being really snobby? I know I am actually, but I am starting to not even care anymore. I do not want DD's aged 4 thrusting their pelvises in and out at parties. Nope. this must be avoided.

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jamila169 · 13/10/2007 21:31

To elaborate - moving at primary age isn't bad, I went to 4 different schools in different parts of the country and it doesn't take long to settle down - If you stuff this stage up, it'll limit what you can do at secondary age, so moving's definately the lesser of 2 evils
Lisa X

choosyfloosy · 13/10/2007 21:31

What's the secondary that this primary feeds into like?

If it is absolutely brilliant and beyond compare, then maybe stick with the primary.

TBH I would shift them both I think. My parents shifted me at age 8 and it was a really good decision, and the school they moved me from was nothing like as bad as that.

olala · 13/10/2007 21:32

that is very reassuring actually, thanks. I suppose it would also be character building for him to have to go and make friends with a whole new bunch of people again.

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olala · 13/10/2007 21:34

o choosy...'the secondary this primary feeds into...' Bless.

There isn't one.

Its in a 2ndry school desert, total lottery which ones you get into from that school and the area around it. We live a bit away from it now though, having moved again, in the catchment for a good one here, regardlesss of which primary school.

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bojangles · 13/10/2007 21:36

You are not being snobby at all - I would not like this for my DC's but then again maybe I am snobby too!

jamila169 · 13/10/2007 21:36

Not sure about character building Olala, but having to adapt does make a difference - I can pretty much be chucked into any social situation and cope well, whereas my DH is really uncomfortable outside his own surroundings(we even live in the house he was born in).
Lisa x

olala · 13/10/2007 21:38

o god, such a headache, i feel i really fucked up when i moved him from the religious school to the one with 'spirit' and 'diversity' and 'character' and morons.

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thirtysomething · 13/10/2007 21:38

I'd been to 4 different schools by age 11. The only part I remember as negative were the two crappy schools in the middle where I never got any attention because I was quiet and usually understood the work.It was always the "gobby" kids who got the teachers' attention and I do vividly remember feeling invisible at both those schools. But in terms of friends it made no odds at all, kids make friends so easily at that age. And I think as others have said, being at school with kids you never get to mix with socially is quite hard too.

jamila169 · 13/10/2007 21:41

Oh and aren't you entitled to look out for your children's best interests without feeling a 'snob'? It would make me one and i consider myself to be working class!
Where your DC's education is concerned you've got to get it right, and if that means moving them then so be it.
LIsa X

olala · 13/10/2007 21:42

That makes sense 30something. Thanks. It really struck a chord with me a while ago, ds wrote a story about 'In a nice quiet school, wherer everyone was sat at their desks doing their work...' and I said 'is that like your school' and he just looked at me as though I had a second head! I get the impression a lot of what the teacher does is crowd control. When he had the really good teachers, they could motivate all the kids to be interested, but they both looked utterly exhausted by the end of the day, and one of them is now on long term sick!

O god and that is another thing....supply teachers. Everywhere. Never know what is going to happen and which of the dcs teachers will need a day off next, and a supply teacher from 'dimwitz r us' will come and help out. The one my dd has had for the last 3 weeks says things like 'Lara, you're very good at reading, innit!'

INNIT!!!!

Yes, as in Ali G. But I am not sure she knows this.

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AhhChewww · 13/10/2007 21:46

I'd move them.
The older children get the more influence their peers have on them.And clearly you wouldn't be happy about kids from your children present school influencing them.

Your children will thank you in future for moving them to better school but may never forgive you not allowing them to achieve their true potential if you keep them in a cr..p one.

choosyfloosy · 13/10/2007 21:46

Aaarrrgh! How soon can you take them out of there!

olala · 13/10/2007 21:50

choosy - I think I can get them out after Xmas. I've been having secret email chats with the head of the nice school. But I really want to make sure it is really excellent before moving them.
Also, bloody ex p, who is dc's dad, is againt moving the older one, due to the upheaval etc. But I will just club him over the head repeatedly until he agrees with me I think.

Just out of interest - do you all seriously think it is ok of me to be so scathing about the other parents? Or are you just saing move them on the basis of the school stuff I am talking about?

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choosyfloosy · 13/10/2007 21:56

OK? depends what you mean. I wouldn't say exactly what you said about the other parents to people in RL (I bet I'd think it though ). But that's the point of posting on here. On here I can ask exactly how brilliant my brilliant son is, describe exactly how infrequently I wash my bedding or my floors, etc etc. Don't sweat it.

I think the stuff about the teacher and the governors was very much as worrying. If you'd said that the teacher was sh*te a ndthe governors were a seething mass of mutual backslappers, but had then added that all the parents were So Lovely and Just Our Type of People, I would still have said move them I think.

Do you have to wait until after Christmas??? can you home ed for a few weeks? (I couldn't in the same circs so i know how annoying that is, sorry)

all the best to your dcs

olala · 14/10/2007 19:52

No, I can't home ed due to work etc its just iompossible. But I have made up my mind - they;re moving! As soon as I can get all the admin in place, I'm moving them. Enough is enough. I feel a total idiot that I haven;t done it ages ago, now that I have made my mind up it seems the obvious thing to do.

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choosyfloosy · 14/10/2007 22:25

I'd say you've done well not rushing them out of there. You have to think these things through properly, otherwise you do feel daft, and you will always know that you gave this school a really good go. Be pleased that your ds had 2 (or was it 1?) years with a really good teacher, he will remember that.

Eliza2 · 15/10/2007 11:53

Move them. Don't worry any more about it, just do what's necessary. You are being a good parent by wanting to do what's best for your children.

olala · 15/10/2007 13:22

ooo I'm so excited!

Just rang the other school this morning, the head teacher answered the phone! I was so shocked - usually in our school its the grumpy lazy jobsworth secretary who hasn't a brain in her head and uses the word 'actually' as much as possible to try and promote an impression of intelligence. It doesn;t work!

Anyway, yes, spoke to the head, he was lovely, said he is bust and so doesn't asnwer the phone that much, but likes to make some time each week to chat to whoever rings up - said he wants to be 'user friendly!' Then he said they are having a 'learning showcase' day next week, open to current and prospective parents, when we can come and see what the school children are up to.

And, we are having a personal appointment / tour with him the week after to make sure 'we are happy with the school'

I am flabbergasted!

We've been parents at the other school (the shite one) for 3 years now, I've never once been allowed in to see the school in action...you have to get past above mentioned school sec cum rottvielier first.

wow.

This must be what normal people's schools are like!

I am so happy today, having been so miserable for ages.

When I dropped dcs at school this morning, one child was literally thrown, I'm not joking, she was HURLED at the TA in my dd;s reception class, the poor little thing was in tears, crying, shaking, didn't want to go in, her mother got frustrated with her, shouted some threats of violence, and threw her to the front of the line, where the TA caught her, and really actually, was so wonderful with her, and really calmed her down. But yes, so glad we are getting out of there.

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