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International Boarders (from outside UK)

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HankeringForSun · 19/08/2020 15:01

Any international boarders here?

Curious to hear other's experiences of the Covid impact to your DC's education.

Currently switching plans for a local international day school where we live in Europe, as it looks unlikely that travel will be smooth for the coming year.

Curious to hear other's stories/perspectives/thoughts.

OP posts:
DebratsEtiquette · 19/08/2020 15:44

Planning for 2021 entry but nervously watching how things transpire ...

MrPickles73 · 19/08/2020 17:48

Are international boarders coming back to UK boarding schools next month or staying away? What is the expectation? I'm just curious whether boarding schools in the UK will be empty of international students.

Keepyourkidsafe · 19/08/2020 19:56

If they do stay away then perhaps the school fees might come down from the stratospheric levels we have experienced since the explosion of the international jet set.

I keep being reminded by the international jet set that these schools are now part of a global market.....shocking!....schools are now a market!
And the cheek to infer that if I can't afford it due to international money pushing up the prices, then it's not for me.

It's all fair and well getting extra cash from the international set to prop up the schools but the balance tipped many years ago where UK parents are increasingly unable to afford the fees (let alone the extras).
Soon, there will be very few British kids left with British values in these schools, then I wonder if the penny might drop.....that it's the British kids that add the value to the schools....lose them at our peril.

I think it's great to have an international element to all schools as it adds to the children's experience and sets them up for the real world which is now globalised.

My fear is that if we educate international kids and exclude UK kids as they are priced out, then our UK kids will end up losing out on the advantage (the very reason why international send kids to the UK?) the independent sector claims to add.

Contentious issue I know.....but we should be able to make valid points without be accused of being racist....go on then, who's going to be the first to call me one!
FYI: I'm immigrant heritage myself so be warned you lefties!

Zodlebud · 20/08/2020 08:06

@Keepyourkidsafe the huge rises in private school fees have happened in both day and boarding schools. Obviously the rise seems higher at boarding schools (5% per annum increases on £30k are a lot less than on £16k in absolute terms) but as a result this has far little to do with international students than you are making out.

Private schools are businesses and as such there absolutely IS a market for education. Plenty of wealthy U.K. residents can still afford the kind of fees that equate to far more than the household income of some. Some boarding schools have said things are going to be tough financially without international students. Boarding schools have huge running costs and are expected to continually update facilities and offer scholarships and bursaries.

International students offer something unique and brilliant to a boarding environment and I for one will be extremely sad if numbers dwindle. They have always formed part of the boarding school culture with royalty etc coming from overseas for many many years.

So, unfortunate as it may seem, boarding schools are increasingly becoming increasingly selective purely on the basis of whether or not you can afford the fees - that much is true. The reality is though that not having a full school because international students are not attending won’t make your fees cheaper. It will increase them to cover the shortfall, mean a reduction in “service” (usually capex projects), or cause the school to close.

@MrPickles73 At our school the children from Europe are more the ones staying away. They can quarantine on site in a separate house prior to term starting (but can only arrive at school for quarantine with a negative COVID19 test from no more than 72 hours prior). They must then remain in the U.K., staying with guardians at Christmas and Easter if need be, and only return home at the end of the summer term, although this will be reviewed on an ongoing basis. Depends how you feel about not seeing your child in person for most of the year.

Keepyourkidsafe · 20/08/2020 14:32

@Zodlebud: Education is NOT a market. It's a right for every child.
Let's just agree to disagree on this.

Yes, wealthy international elite have always attended UK schools but it has gone waaaay beyond that now where the balance has truly shifted.
In some schools I have seen 1/3 coming from only 1 particular nation with a total of 2/3 non-UK students.
To cap it off, a bulk of the reamining1/3 is made up of those uber wealthy that now hold UK citizenship (bought for £2M or so with the caveat of creating a business - in one case, purely set up to get in more overseas from their country only) .
I am simply reporting an observation but of course you are entitled to your opinions. I am basing mine on objective observations....I think the extreme position we are in now does not require for me to exaggerate as it's a bad sad sorry state of affairs.

As you said yourself,
"boarding schools are increasingly becoming increasingly selective purely on the basis of whether or not you can afford the fees"
....Increasingly, it's the international parents that can afford these now and the trend is only going one way.

If your point is that the UK super wealthy can still afford the fees, then if you strip out the ones that are either non-does & those that bought citizenship but still hold allegiance to their home country (observation again) then there are some of those folk left but do we really only want to see those as the sole representatives in leading UK boarding/inde schools?
What about the hard aspirational folks from the UK that used to send their kids to these school enmass until the last 10 or so years....?
I'm talking about the Doctors, solicitors, pharmacists, etc....

As you said though, it's a "market" and "boarding schools are increasingly becoming increasingly selective purely on the basis of whether or not you can afford the fees"
So your point is, if you can't afford it then you shouldn't bother.....hardly a progressive point this the overall argument.
Drug dealers have plenty money these days, and online fraudsters.....let's take them too, right!
My point is not to compare the international to these types of folk but to say that money should not be the overriding factor.

These schools have pandered to the international set to chase the money for far too long.
It has created an environment where there is no an arms race to build the next best building, swimming pool, sports centre, debating room, etc...so as to attract this level of money.
ENOUGH!

The ironic thing is in discussion with the parents from the nation that make up 1/3 of schools.....I discovered that they are complaining about their being too many internationals in these schools and not enough British.....even they don't want to see it!
Naturally, you would need to talk to parents to glean this information so I am on good terms parents from all communites.

The British pupils, the British parents and the British community that is created around this is what brings the international set to these schools, NOT the old fashioned buildings.....lose them at your peril!

The leading schools give us British the opportunity to give our kids a head start in an increasingly international competitive world.
If we squander this opportunity for our kids because of a ill thought out capital ideology as you inferred (if you can't afford it then tough), then Britain really has lost its edge.
Most international folk take this head start away with them along with any hope of the benefits of this leading education being looped back in to Britain....instead it's lost to overseas.

Wake up and smell the coffee!

Again, I would like to state that a good balance of international students enriches all schools. The balance is wrong and it's driving up fees and thereby excluding British kids.

Zodlebud · 20/08/2020 19:29

So, in summary, a British boarding school education should be affordable for all and only available to British children?

How about we concentrate on ensuring all children have access to a great education whatever their economic background, race, religion, ethnicity and country of birth?

Sorry, OP, your very sensible question seems to have been taken off piste by a slightly Trump like ranter......

Keepyourkidsafe · 20/08/2020 23:35

@zodledud
"So, in summary, a British boarding school education should be affordable for all and only available to British children?"
Clearly, you did not ready my response, as I have clearly said in both my responses above that a good balance of international students enriches all schools.
Clearly we have a Trump lover in zodledud what with her reference to him.....secret Republican I detect!

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