Anyone spotted this new stumbling block?

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On the whole, staff are raring to go and if we're told business as usual or close to it in September will get on with it, subject to risk assessments etc.

However, what with the summer being the one time teachers can get away, and having worked through the last two holidays, we have a very high number of staff already booked on holidays with return travel during the last week of the holidays and who therefore will, under current guidelines, be self isolating for the first 2 weeks of term.

Many staff are hoping their holidays will be cancelled, but if they're not, still plan to go, as they would lose the money if they don't.

I've asked today and roughly 25% of staff are booked to travel home during the week of 23 August or later.

So if all (or most) children are to be back in school from 3 September, the quarantine plan is going to have to go.

Nothing like a bit of joined up thinking

We're probably not going to go abroad because of the quarantine and also because I don't fancy sitting on a plane for 3 hours with a whole load of possibly infected people. Jet 2 won't refund the flights (£1500) because as far as they are concerned their flights are going ahead. Its shit all round and I wish there was a solution.

It's posted in Education, though...

Teacher here with a holiday booked at end of August.
If we had booked the holiday prior to May23rd we can work from home for the quarantine and still be paid.
If it was booked after that date it's unpaid leave.

I took the whole tone of the thread to be about this being uniquely difficult for teachers tbh.
Tone can be read in different ways. It does not mean that was how it was meant and again, no one specifically stated what was being accused of. I didn’t read it that way for example but then I did check it wasn’t posted in the Coronavirus topic or AIBU or Chat, for example.

Because the opening post didn't even pay lip service to this being a common problem which frontline workers of every stripe are having tomface
In the Education forum, this would be a relevant problem to just education, however. Guidance and policies unique to schools and places of learning that is being discussed, would be specific to education, I would have thought.

Instead it read as if this was some new factor that that only mattered for teachers, not for every single key worker.

It was posted specifically in the Education forum so I’m not sure why reference to other keyworkers was necessary in this instance?

How about because it's a common problem?

And when a number of exhausted people (incoudung, but not limited to teachers) are facing it, then a little fellow feeling can be beneficial

And yes this is 'education' not 'the staffroom'
Impacts on schooling affects education and of course that is a concern well beyond the staffroom. So by choosing to post in this topic, of course there will be wider views

Wider views would be welcomed NiceViper but the digs and false accusations that have come with some posters, are unnecessary.

@Piggywaspushed

It's posted in Education, though...

Yes and? Not only teachers are affected unbelievable i know

Bu if OP had wanted to discuss the impact of holidays on the general public and any job, she would have posted in a general forum.

Teachers can't discuss issues without Tom, Dick and Harry wading in, usually to criticise, it seems.

No one, at any point, said only teachers were affected. there are travel boards to discuss the issue , too. at which point amore general discussion (oddly enough, more civilised when no one ahs the temerity to let skip that are a teacher) ensues.

I am so fed up of MN explaining to teachers (and almost no other job) what they should think, do and feel and how they should behave.

I think it would be pretty irresponsible to go on a holiday that would mean missing going back to school at the beginning of September, regardless of when the holiday was booked. Yes it sucks, but it sucks for lots of people right now and a lot of people are in far worse financial situations than many teachers.

No, I think what sucks is the travel industry actively preventing people form rebooking, changing dates or securing refunds.

Well yes, that too obviously.

What would happen for example if someone went on holiday and lockdown was implemented in that country again at short notice and it wasn't possible to get out in time? My DH's company have put measures in place to say if you go away you do so at your own risk and if you aren't in your place of business within 8 weeks of going away your contract will automatically be terminated. People got caught out in Feb/Mar with borders closing at short notice, there's absolutely no excuse to be caught out again. Just something else to consider when weighing up the pro's and con's.

Yeah, that worries me too. But our travel agent will not let us cancel or move our holiday .

I don't think there's any need to get quite so excited about it. Quarantine is a joke that has been suggested by a Tory government that knows it's voters are scared of dirty foreigners. They're already talking about exempting the tourist hot spots because they've realised that will also affect their voters, once they realise it will also affect schools reopening it will be scrapped altogether is my prediction

There has been a recent very worrying rise in infections in several parts of Europe. After the madness of the reopening scenes of the last week or two in the UK, covid 19 will undoubtedly come roaring back and schools won't be opening anyway.

Your immediate problem will resolve itself, in other words.

Yes, I believe you are right. I still don't want to go but that's a whole other thread...

Sorry, my reply was to ultimate although I also agree with you math.

Mathanxiety, except that's been said after every relaxation/major breach of the rules and it hasn't happened yet.

@Piggywaspushed

Bu if OP had wanted to discuss the impact of holidays on the general public and any job, she would have posted in a general forum.

Teachers can't discuss issues without Tom, Dick and Harry wading in, usually to criticise, it seems.

No one, at any point, said only teachers were affected. there are travel boards to discuss the issue , too. at which point amore general discussion (oddly enough, more civilised when no one ahs the temerity to let skip that are a teacher) ensues.

I am so fed up of MN explaining to teachers (and almost no other job) what they should think, do and feel and how they should behave.

oh do wind your neck in i'll post where i like thanks.

I don't see why an OP has to post a disclaimer about every other Tom, Dick and Harry being affected by these rules. People are allowed to talk about their own personal situation!

She doesn't have to post a disclaimer. But the use of the word 'new' in the title shows a total misreading of the room, when so many others have already been and many more still are, in exacrly the same situation.

Losing holidays because quarantine is incompatible with work is unfortunate neither new nor particularly uncommon.

It won't affect the re-opening of school. It will mean you lose the holiday or face usual absentee action. So re-planning it now, when there might still be decent options available (but getting booked up) does seem like the most sensible advice.

What? It is a new stumbling block to the full reopening of schools

It will affect reopening (if quarantine is still a thing). We have 20% (ish) of staff due to return in the last 2 weeks of the holidays and therefore required to isolate into the new term. We could make it unpaid leave but we still wouldn't have the staff to open fully and we're not going to find 20% cover from supply agencies, indeed it wouldn't be safe on any level, to have the school staffed 20% by supply anyway.

it is interesting how the not in education thread on the same issue is getting altogether more sympathetic footfall.

I don't think the one in that place had 'new' in the title

I do think this thread has good posts on about why no one occupation is going to find their much-needed holidays get some sort of preferential treatment when it comes to the opening of their sector.

And delaying the opening of schools because of the timing of teachers holidays (no matter how needed, no matter how much booked in good faith) wouid be the most egregious example of preferential treatment and go down extremely badly. And for that reason it really won't be happening.

Affected teachers wouid be best advised to re-plan now, when you look at what is happening across all sectors.