Part time school in September...half the class in the mornings and the other half in the afternoon so they can do maths and English daily.

[947EliseChalotte]

The goverment have said schools will open fully in september, however The unions are saying no schools can't open fully in September because theres not enough space at the new social measurement of 1 metre apart. So looks like part time school ?

And they'll be cleaned when?

It will be full time for all by September- look at the dropping numbers just released today of positive tests -it'll be back to normal

@947EliseChalotte

The goverment have said schools will open fully in september, however The unions are saying no schools can't open fully in September because theres not enough space at the new social measurement of 1 metre apart. So looks like part time school ?

The government are still saying 15 children per room max and 25% of year 10 and year 12.

No, the government have realised it’s impossible to do with social distancing so you can bet that there will be an announcement in August that social distancing is no longer needed.

The guidance will probably change again by September though if there rate of infection continues to fall in the lifting of lockdown.

At the moment the situation is this:

• With current Government guidelines, no more than half of any class can return (in primaries due to the maximum size of bubbles, and in secondaries because of the stated need for social distancing)
• The Government has stated that there will be a full return in September.

There are two ways this can be resolved, and we do not yet know which will happen:

• Government guidelines are changed to move maximum group size in primary to 35 [as many KS2 classes are well over 30] and remove the need for any social distancing in secondary schools OR
• Government decides that 'in full' means part time attendance.

The Government would prefer to do the first, but it is not yet clear that parents will send their children back into totally non socially-distanced education or whether a second wave of infections can be avoided if they do so. So they are not saying anything.

@cantkeepawayforever

At the moment the situation is this:

• With current Government guidelines, no more than half of any class can return (in primaries due to the maximum size of bubbles, and in secondaries because of the stated need for social distancing)
• The Government has stated that there will be a full return in September.

There are two ways this can be resolved, and we do not yet know which will happen:

• Government guidelines are changed to move maximum group size in primary to 35 [as many KS2 classes are well over 30] and remove the need for any social distancing in secondary schools OR
• Government decides that 'in full' means part time attendance.

The Government would prefer to do the first, but it is not yet clear that parents will send their children back into totally non socially-distanced education or whether a second wave of infections can be avoided if they do so. So they are not saying anything.

Yep, exactly this.

@PotteringAlong

No, the government have realised it’s impossible to do with social distancing so you can bet that there will be an announcement in August that social distancing is no longer needed.

They have already said that social distancing is not (and never has been) needed within bubbles in school. So say the BBC anyway, I'm not sure that is accurate though?

Mine are in secondary school where the rule is 25% of the year on any given day. You're not allowed to have different 25% in the morning and afternoon because of cleaning. Our school isn't serving or allowing food atm as it creates cleaning and congestion so they are running 3 hours of lessons a day.

They have already said that social distancing is not (and never has been) needed within bubbles in school. So say the BBC anyway, I'm not sure that is accurate though?

Not true. The Secondary guidance from the government, for example, said the following:

schools should aim to practise social distancing in line with the measures the government is asking everyone to adopt in public and in workplaces, including keeping pupils 2 metres apart from each other
ensuring sufficient distance between pupils is likely to mean classes are no more than half their usual size.

@ChloeDecker

They have already said that social distancing is not (and never has been) needed within bubbles in school. So say the BBC anyway, I'm not sure that is accurate though?

Not true. The Secondary guidance from the government, for example, said the following:

schools should aim to practise social distancing in line with the measures the government is asking everyone to adopt in public and in workplaces, including keeping pupils 2 metres apart from each other
ensuring sufficient distance between pupils is likely to mean classes are no more than half their usual size.

I was sceptical when I saw it today but the article clearly said it hadn't been necessary, I saw it when I was at work but can't find it now I'm home. Typical !

The government has promised new guidance within a couple of weeks so it all depends what that says, which may of course change again (several times) between then and September.
If shielding staff can return as I believe they can, that will make a massive difference to our school.

I can deal with PT school - I know many need the schools up open up FT, along with wraparound care tho. What I absolutely do need is some teacher input for both my kids. If that means mornings only, of half a week or one week on, one week off, that what it is, but absolutly every child needs to be offered the possibility of a school place come September.

I’ve had an email today- dfe stating distancing is not and has not been necessary in a primary bubble of up to 15 children.

A primary school in Leicester city has opened for all pupils part time - half go in Monday and Tuesday , weds just key workers and deep clean other half Thursday and Friday . It's parks primary in Leicester if you google it it should link to an interview with the head
I'm desperately hoping it's full time for all come sept but interesting to see what can be www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/how-one-city-school-opened-4256071.amp

I’ve had an email today- dfe stating distancing is not and has not been necessary in a primary bubble of up to 15 children.

Yes, but for secondary schools to open up full time in September, social distancing needs to not be necessary in a bubble of 1700. So that’s why I think social distancing will be scrapped completely mid August, paving the way for everyone back.

Yes and I wasn’t disagreeing with you, just confirming what someone else had said upthread. In the email it said something different about secondary schools.

@Karwomannghia

I’ve had an email today- dfe stating distancing is not and has not been necessary in a primary bubble of up to 15 children.

I knew I'd seen it somewhere, I was starting to think I was losing the plot! Thanks.

No primary school with 15 in a bubble COULD have been doing social distancing - there's no way any standard classroom can accommodate 15 people at 2m distance.

So any primary school with bubbles of 15 has never done full social distancing - only those schools that went back with bubbles of 6-8 could have done so.

However, 15 is still only half a class (or rather less), and that is the maximum size allowed in primary. Still no way of getting everyone back without double the space, double the teachers OR half time in school - and still no solution for secondary, whose guidance is all about social distancing.

seenbeensbean
I’ve had an email today- dfe stating distancing is not and has not been necessary in a primary bubble of up to 15 children.
I knew I'd seen it somewhere, I was starting to think I was losing the plot! Thanks.

You did say ‘has not and has never been needed within bubbles in a school‘ and I did specify Secondary to be fair! In fact the primary guidance did ask originally say, as well, that socially distancing was preferable in primary too but then changed their minds when thankfully, the unions questioned it, so the ‘not never’ was not quite true either.

I know I’m being pedantic and I am so sorry but it is important that the original rubbish guidance is not just ‘erased from history’.

This shows just how sneaky outright lyingthe Department of Education are being. Three images, the first two from the original Primary government guidance.

Makes me so angry. And we wonder why people have such a low opinion of teachers and schools with manipulation like this. It never ends!

Yes they were pretty vague as they are on everything- basically leaving everyone to do their own interpretation.

Leicester are the area they are talking about needing to be locked down