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Fairness of catch up package from government

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mids2019 · 19/06/2020 07:08

Will the government's tutoring support package announced today be directed fairly

All children have suffered some form of disadvantage from COVID19 school closures so I presume will have appropriate tutoring?

I fear a blanket approach to allocating these funds on Sat parental income will possibly miss the fact that the !even if disadvantage will be dependent on other factors e.g. commitment of parents to work at home....

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Keepdistance · 20/06/2020 14:15

And i think that should be the policy into the next year. Everyone keeps up even if lockdowns etc. Schools get through the work (better imo to do receorded videos so people can catch up when devices are available).

Also for primary anyway
Get us out the reports to show where kids are vs where they should be

  • any not meeting targets to get given a workbook over the summer (cgp etc) or online access to maths/english.
Parents could then let teachers know what the child still struggles on in sept. There will still be the oak/bitesize from this term available and kids could be directed to topics they have struggled with.

Im not even clear if dc y3 has covered everything or not and how they will do reports. As even if kids do the work a teacher cant know if it was independent

My0My · 20/06/2020 14:52

You will not get reliable feedback from some parents. Usually the ones whose DC need the most help. Teachers will have to assess DC.

A good school will have put the curriculum up on its web site - but plenty don’t bother. This would give parents a good idea of what should be covered. I don’t think some would worry about it though partly because their DC won’t engage and they doubt their ability to teach. They don’t understand learning through play and don’t get guided learning.

Lots of schools have 1/3 - 1/2 of DC that don’t make good progress. There may be a few that with 1:1 have accelerated but it’s hard to see how the lowest achievers will have done and they are often the most switched off from learning too.

MyCruiseControl · 20/06/2020 23:54

@mids2019 No doubt that all children have had their education disrupted and you will find that what you propose is what will happen. But you'll also find that those who were struggling before the lockdown will be the same ones struggling after the lockdown. Of the children who should be at school, less than 40% are currently at school. There are even fewer vulnerable children going to school. These are children who were supposed to have been there throughout the lockdown. Some families need proper help to engage with school and education. One thing to note is that the skills we need as a country are constantly being assessed and anytime business feels a lack of skills coming through, the government puts in a programme to address that. I wouldn't worry about our children. For the majority the only thing of this period that will remain with them will be the grand stories to tell their children and grandchildren of this time. My mum only recently remembered and recounted a story that she was really ill and nearly died as a child during the 1957 Asian flu outbreak.
Anyway for my part, I really hope schools use the money to reduce class sizes. That, in my view, will have more of an impact than tutoring.

MinecraftMother · 20/06/2020 23:56

I'm confused about the key worker kids.

So they went to school, but the teachers couldn't teach them. They child minded? Why didn't they teach them?

Now that some classes are back, why can't the KW kiddies be taught along with the others?

I'm not a teacher so my view may be simplistic. Welcome anyone in the know's thoughts.

TorysSuckRevokeArticle50 · 21/06/2020 00:05

I'm fine with my child not receiving any of the funding. We are very lucky in that DD (6years old) is very bright and was already ahead of where she needed to be, doing next years work when lockdown commenced.

Me and DH have both been working from home full time since the beginning and have been staggering shifts so we have time with DD during the day.

She's missed her friends and playing with other kids but tutoring won't help with that and I don't think she has been disadvantaged educationally from a curriculum/subject level even though school support has been limited to a few worksheets on the website each week.

CountessFrog · 21/06/2020 01:19

Minecraft - if key worker children have been in school, they remain in a bubble with the children they’ve already been mixing with.

If their actual school year return, they cannot join them.

It’s a huge disincentive for KW to send their children to school. I’ve struggled on at home despite us both being NHS, as my daughter is Y6 and wants to spend the last two weeks of primary with her year group.

Two weeks is all the head says they can go back for. I have no idea why the head can suddenly accommodate them in the last two weeks, however apparently the reason is that priority is being given to YR and Y1 -Y6 are only allowed back if those children don’t take up places.

I have no idea why the six groups can’t be spread around the seven classrooms. And I think it’s disgusting that Y6 are only allowed to set foot back in their primary if the other year groups don’t want the places. It’s bad enough that they have missed their ‘end of primary’ ceremonies - now there’s a chance they won’t be allowed to ever go back in the building they’ve spent their childhoods in.

myself2020 · 21/06/2020 05:28

My personal fear is that the money will do very little. from what I understand its bound to specific tutoring companies, so half will go on overheads anyway. what is left will have to be spend in a blanket approach, so will do minimal good.

Pud2 · 21/06/2020 08:38

If their actual school year return, they cannot join them

This varies from school to school. In my school KW children had the choice to join their class bubble (which is part time) or stay full time in the KW group. What they can’t do is keep switching between the two.

CountessFrog · 21/06/2020 08:42

My school have no choice, seems it’s down to the head.

It doesn’t help that our head is mentally unstable, and I don’t use that term lightly, I work in mental health myself. Her decisions swing like a pendulum, her approach to this whole episode has been nothing short of hysterical. So kids can’t mix at all.

nether · 21/06/2020 08:46

I hope there will be priority requirement for pupils who need to shield to access tutoring.

Some might be de-shielded, but not all. And those are the DC whose lives have suffered the greatest impact from level of isolation advised for them.

WombatChocolate · 22/06/2020 20:04

I suspect a lot of this money will go to tutoring companies and cover their 'costs' - they might be the biggest beneficiaries in this.

I think the issue is that people struggle to differentiate between the disadvantage all children have experienced in their education, compared to the norm of having the 4 months in school they will have all missed, and the differing level of disadvantage that children who are already disadvantaged experience.

So, the typical child might theoretically be 3 months (made up number) after Covid. The disadvantaged child might now be 8 months behind where they started from (which was already behind)

Parents get agitated about targetted help, because they worry that their own individual non-disadvantaged category child isn't where they would have been. Understandably, they would like the government and schools to be planning for bridging the gap their own child has experienced due to covid. They forget that others have slipped even further behind and so essentially are more needy.

The government in my view needs to implement 2 plans and make them clear. There is the plan for the disadvantaged group who absilotley need input to reduce the scarily-widening group. However they need another, different scheme too, so that ALL children who have lost out due to Covid have a chance to catch up a bit and for parents to feel the issue is recognised and addressed, rather than from now on, all children are just expected to be 5 months behind a usual group of school children. Quite what that plan could be or should be is difficult to say, when you have to think about the realities of who will deliver any plan. Some kind of summer tick-over work is needed so children keep reading and writing and doing some numeracy to stop further slipping back. Tricky though, because not all families will want to engage or be able to.

In reality, I suspect that many students will always be just that bit behind. Some families will have worked hard now and continue working hard to plug the gap and they will manage to eradicate it. Schools will work hard on catch-up and eradicate a bit of the gap for most children. They probably, without parental input won't be able to get rid of all the loss that has happened.

Some of this will come down to how much normal, non-disadvantaged families who don't qualify for the extra help are willing and able to engage, in the same way it has during lockdown. Some parents, even when working full time and facing difficulties have still prioritised schooling and learning. They might have lacked time and any kind of teaching knowledge, but they have made their priority in the bit of time they do have, finding stuff for children to do and making sure the children have done what school set. Without doubt it's been hard work and not always pleasant. Many others have been less fastidious and in the face of the difficulties of working full time, child resistance and lack of prior knowledge, gone with the flow a bit more and accepted little will be achieved in this period. It is totally understandable why people have gone for option 2 - option 1 was just too hard or felt too hard for lots of families, and perhaps it is beyond what most could actually do. But those who struggled on with option 1 and made it their priority, even in the face of extreme difficulty, will find their children face a smaller gap. It's always the reality that parental engagement makes all the difference.

The disadvantaged who will qualify for the tutoring absolutely need it. Their level of disadvantage far exceeds 4 months not in school. For the rest, those whose parents fully enagage D on a persistent basis even when it was bloody hard and meant using their precious free time after doing a full time job, to think about how to keep their children's education going, will be the ones who experience less disadvantage.

I'd say, schools should be providing really precise guidance for the summer, but it will be down to parents to really make it happen and to ferret out a way forward if the schools are lacking. For those who are really worried, even if working, the summer is a chance to do something about it. People might feel they shouldn't have to and schools should plug the gap. The reality is schools simply won't be able to do that from a distance for a further 6 weeks, so it does come down to parents and perhaps now is the time to be thinking about the summer and a bit of a plan.......not a tempting thought in any sense...but some parents will be doing it right now.

Justajot · 22/06/2020 22:03

It does make me wonder whose mate owns a tutoring company.

My0My · 23/06/2020 22:48

If not tutors - do you really think school teachers will do this? In your dreams! Maybe the unpaid supply teachers could do it? They seem unhappy about not being furloughed.

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