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Lunchbox wars

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hurricane · 13/09/2007 19:05

Since dd1 has gone into year 1 she has been coming back from school with her lunchbox full of bread crusts, apple cores and mostly empty but slightly leaking drinks cartons. When I asked her why she wasn't putting her rubbish in the bin she explained that the teachers make them bring it home so it won't make the classroom smell. I put a note in her homework book to ask the teacher to let her throw away her empty drinks containers as they were leaking and the teacher has said that they tell the children to empty any drink before putting the carton back in their lunch box so once again dd brought home a sticky carton, apple core etc.

My question is is it unreasonable to expect children to be allowed to throw rubbish away so that their poor mums and dads aren't faced with a load of stinky food and drink when they open thier lunch boxes? And if not what should I do now?

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Spidermama · 15/09/2007 17:55

Also two of my kids are scatty and often leave their lunchboxes at school. Sometimes over the weekend and once over the half term holiday.

That's got to be a public health hazard.

Aimsmum · 15/09/2007 17:59

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hurricane · 15/09/2007 18:01

You will notice Porto that I'm not the only one who is annoyed by coming home to have to empty rubbish which had been sitting in my dds lunchboxes all day. I have better things to do. I'm a teacher by the way.

You will have missed the post explaining that my dds' school does not have the option of school dinners so I am not given that choice. My youngest dd by the way is 3 and goes to the nursery at the same school as my older dd in year 1. Wrapping up food etc is way beyond her capabilities at the moment as remembering to put the cap back on her re-usable drinks bottle is sometimes beyond the capabilities of ehr 5 year old sister hence the leaky bottle combining with the yoghurt smears which I had to trail all the way home the other day.

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hurricane · 15/09/2007 18:02

Apparently Aimsmum and what a novel idea! Again showing that is not impossible.

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Blandmum · 15/09/2007 18:02

Trouble is though, hurricane, the schools do get charged for it, and if they spend the money on rubbish collections, they can't then spend the money on something more useful for the childrem, like books, or sports equipment etc.

We might think that it is a stupid rule, but it is the rule the school has to work within. And shool budgets are set, if the money goes on one thing, it can't go on something else

Mercy · 15/09/2007 18:06

Aimsmum - at my dcs school they put rubbish in the bin, but they must bring home any uneaten food.

I don't know about any other councils but ours only provides a full range of recycling (as per Spidermama's post) for domestic users. Non-domestic organisations are offered a limited scheme.

hurricane · 15/09/2007 18:07

About priorities though isn't it MB? Bettyspaghetti's school has chosen to prioritise recycling and composting to the good of the environment and the convenience of the parents (and hopefully instilling environmental awareness and good lifelong habits along the way). If I ran a school I would find ways of making such a scheme a priority. For an example, schools would find they would have a lot more money to spare if they conserved energy by turning off computers and lights after they left a classroom (my college does this but I know many schools don't losing 1000s of pounds a year not to mention the enviornemtnal consequences).

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portonovo · 15/09/2007 18:18

I feel we're going round in circles with this one, so I'll have to (unilaterally) agree to disagree! I keep coming back to the same thought, that I'm just so surprised at how big a deal it is. It's just never been a problem for me or any of my friends - not even the mum of 6 (including triplets) who deals with 6 lunchboxes every day in a similar way to me (lots of re-usable containers within a larger one).

I can only suggest that if it is the huge problem for you it seems to be, you could perhaps see if other parents feel the same and tackle the school and/or governors as to possible changes/solutions. If there is a large body of parents taking the same view of you, they might take notice, especially if you're proposing alternative systems.

LyraBelacqua · 15/09/2007 18:18

I don't get what the big deal is. It takes only a minute to throw away the rubbish and rinse/wipe the lunchbox. If you used a proper drinks bottle and gave yoghurts in pouches or tubes, you could minimise the mess very easily if it bothers you that much.

Aimsmum · 15/09/2007 18:20

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hurricane · 15/09/2007 18:23

I never said it was a big deal. I just said it's a hassle and an unpleasantness I could do without especially since some schools have more forward thinking ways of dealing with this stuff like recycling and composting. You wouldn't really have thought this was rocket science. What surprises me is the number of mums who want to clean their kids' lunchboxes and sift through their detritus. Personally I have better things to do esp when I've just got the kids home from school.

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hurricane · 15/09/2007 18:25

And I would much rather waste was being discouraged or at least recycled and composted than chucked away after mouldering for several hours.

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LyraBelacqua · 15/09/2007 18:41

It's not so much about wanting to clean out the lunchbox as not minding.

Surfermum · 15/09/2007 18:43

Ditto. I can't say it would even occur to me to think "why can't this be done at school".

sparkybabe · 15/09/2007 18:46

hurricane if you would rather it was recycled then why don't you recycle it? Why should tyhe school be responsible for sorting the packaging from the banana skins? And if it has been 'mouldering' all day, then it's already got a head start at composting!

hercules1 · 15/09/2007 18:51

I think that the teachers may have better things to do as well....

3madboys · 15/09/2007 19:10

jesus, why all the stress about kids bringing home THEIR OWN rubbish in their lunch boxes?

i have two at school at the mo, they both take pack ups as they prefer them to hot dinners, they have a plastic tub that is inside a wipe clean lunch bag and they have a metal drinks bottle (like the sigg ones but a cheaper version) i have never had issues with the mess, its their mess, i clean it up at home when they ea t lunch at home, why shouldnt they bring it home?

seriously i think the teachers have better things to be doing than sorting kids lunch boxes and i am sure the dinner staff arent paid enough to do the extra work either.

i have to say i very rarely give my kids yogurts, most kids yogurts are full of sugar anway.

they have sandwiches, fruit, chopped up veg sticks etc, maybe a cereal bar or homemade flapjack, banana cake etc, sometimes a dip such as hummous, they dont make that much mess, it all stays in their lunch box for me to recycle chuck in the bin or whatever when they get home, no big deal.

wheresthehamster · 15/09/2007 19:26

hurricane you seem to keep making the point that if one school can recycle all the rubbish then every school should do it.

Well, most parents feel THEY are able to recycle the rubbish so why can't you?

Blu · 15/09/2007 19:29

I am amazed at the range of things people find about schools to criticise and take issue with.
Good grief.

Celia2 · 15/09/2007 21:36

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handlemecarefully · 15/09/2007 21:41

Lordy!

I'm with portonovo "Use lunchboxes that wash easily, no problem!"

Dd has a cloth lunch bag too but the inside is wipe clean vinyl. I haven't seen any cloth ones without wipe clean vinyl tbh

Can't believe this issue is causing angst

EscapeFrom · 15/09/2007 21:44

Hurricane, most of the posters here are disagreeing with you. It is no hassle to empty a lunch box, wash it (you'd have to do that anyway!) and refill.

You are being petty.

It is a school, and it's business is the education of children. Not a private day nursery, who cater for the convenience of parents. They are your children, either train them to deal with their mess, or do it yourself! It's not a problem for most people, why for you? "I don't want to" doesn't mean you shouldn't have to.

cornsilk · 16/09/2007 10:52

hurricane - you seem to be under the impression that your child's school is actually a creche. Which member of school staff do you think should supervise the chn disposing of the waste from their lunchbox?
Perhaps they could create a post? Would you like them to wash your child's uniform while they're at it?

nooka · 16/09/2007 11:02

I'm just wondering about these lunches that are so messy. What is going into them? I really don't see why it is so hard to keep the messy food for at home, and pack lunches that create less mess and "detrius". Tell your children to eat it all up or they don't get whatever nice thing you pack in there - it worked wonders for my ds, and the fruit is no longer half eaten. I like to get it back just to check that the volume I am putting in is OK, and to make sure that they aren't leaving their fruit and veg in favour of the sweet stuff. Actually pretty much what you do at home! I wonder whether your real gripe is that you have to make packed lunches at all - not an unreasonable complaint IMO, but a different one.

hurricane · 16/09/2007 16:07

OK, before you make assumptions and personal attacks I really suggest you read my posts. Nowhere did I suggest that teachers should be responsible for children's mess or did I imply that schools are glorified creches.

I am a teacher in a college of over 2000 students and more than 200 staff. Most of the staff bring packed lunches and some of the students do. We are not expected to take our rubbish home. We have boxes for recycling paper, cans and plastic bottles and we have bins for the rest. In an ideal world we would have composting facilities for the rest but we don't. Somehow, mysteriously, this is possible for a workplace of 2200 but somehow mysteriously this is impossible for my schools which may have less than 200.

This is what I do. I make my lunch (and the dds) the night before. I use tupperware for all the sandwiches never foil or cling film. I do use re-usable drinks bottles mostly but sometimes the dds' don't press the caps in properly because they leak. Dd2 is 3 and is at the school's nursery she is not yet able to wrap up food etc. DD1 is 5 and she is but sometimes she forgets or doesn't do it properly. Sometimes (shock) I send the kids with cartons. For example, they had Innocent smoothies last week which come in recylable cartons. Although the children are instructed to empty any dregs from their cartons into the sink understandably they may not get rid of every last drop (when you're 5 and 3 you probably have more interesting things to do). They leak. I do not want to send the dds with plastic with which to wrap up their yoghurt pots etc because of the enviornment and these do not always fit into the containers which hold their sandwiches. Hence, sometimes, a sticky mess at bottom of lunchbox. Obviously some of you do not have this problem but many parents do. Suggesting I do not send my kids with yoghurt, bananas and apples is frankly ridiculous.

My dds school is small (less than 200) and the children eat their lunch in their classroom. This is the system I envisage:

1.) THe children eat their lunch in their s under the supervision of the lunchtime supervisor as tehy do currently.

2.) They put plastics for recyling in a plastic recycling box. They put anything compostable in a compostable box. They put anything that needs to be taken home back in their lunchbox.

3.) One or 2 children per classroom are responsible in each class for taking the recylcing boxes down to the larger containers which are situated in a suitable place.

4.) This is all accompanied by an environmental awareness and healthy eating campaign discouraging parents from sending too much waste and raising awareness about recycling and composting etc (this is all part of the NC now anyway isn't it?)

THe effects:

1.) No more apple cores and yoghurt pots for parents to deal with at home time

2.) Recycling and composting which is good for the planet.

Really can't see how this is a) problematic b) controversial.

If you personally enjoy sifting through your child's crusts and banana skins that's great. As a single parent of 2 and teacher with a meal to cook and then marking to do I don't and don't feel it's necessary. Just because you don't have the same experience or oprinions as me does not mean that my opinions and experiences are not valid.

If you personally recycle your child's waste and compost their apple cores then that's great but many parents don't. If a school offers no choice but lunchboxes then I do feel they should bear at least some responsibility for dealing with the consequences of this to help parents and the environment and the children.

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