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Who is teaching your child? You'd be surprised...

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MissCynic · 22/07/2019 20:08

I'd like to spread the word about what is going on with private teaching agencies in Wales. In a nutshell they are concerned only with profit and not with continuity of cover for your child. In secondary schools, they are even sending out often unqualified staff as "Cover Supervisors" (Google this) who are paid less and who basically just babysit. Cover Supervisors are not meant to undertake any teaching or even mark work. They could be untrained LSAs or people who have a degree but no qualified teacher status. They may know absolutely nothing about Maths, Science, Spanish or whatever they are covering. Schools are complicit in this, unfortunately, but for obvious reasons will not want this to be widely known. As much as 10% of your child's education will be taken by supply teachers or "not" teachers (as the case may be) so please start asking questions about who exactly IS supervising your child at school and write to your Assembly member or Welsh Government. Any comments from supply teachers in England would be most welcomed as I'd like to know if it's the same over the border. I know school budgets are limited but the fact also that 45% of schools' supply teacher budgets is being creamed off by agencies in commission is absolutely obscene. Agencies care only about profit; they have no qualms about sending three or four teachers in one week to one class rather than provide continuity of cover. They will also send teachers anywhere without matching their skills and experience to that setting eg autistic units, sending FE trained teachers/lecturers to cover early years classes. I worked for over two years without even basic safeguarding training. I eventually discovered that I was able to do this free of charge via my local authority, which I did. Finally, as these agencies also provide LSAs to schools, some are even recruiting using the streamline, "Never worked in education? Not a problem..."

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Ilovelala · 23/07/2019 08:27

An ex big brother contestant Hmm

fedup21 · 23/07/2019 08:33

my other cover colleagues are all qualified teachers who just don’t want the shit that a full time teaching post brings!

I remember this idea being predicted on the TES forums years ago. Schools will end up with a head and a senco doing their usual jobs but then, a couple of lead teachers who do all the planning. Lessons are then in the most part ‘delivered’ by other folk (non teachers) who are paid buttons.

How this would would work with regard to observations, learning walks, drop ins, accountability and Ofsted though, I don’t know.

If I was working minimum wage, I wouldn’t want any of that stress and doubt cover supervisors do!

It wouldn’t just be the skills tests that got dropped, you could pretty much remove teacher training altogether and staffing budgets could be slashed.

I’m sure standards wouldn’t slide at all....

MissCynic · 23/07/2019 08:58

@piefacedClique Please don't think I'm criticising Cover Supervisors; all I'm saying is that it's effectively "teaching on the cheap" and it's exploiting people. They're not paid much and everyone deserves better.

@saraclara I'm not in the habit of paragraphing when on a forum, especially if I'm having a rant!

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piefacedClique · 23/07/2019 09:10

I get that @MissCynic but I’m quite happy with my lot. I am employed by the school so am paid well on a daily rate.... far better than I’d expected and I make up any short fall with examining and moderating. My gig is a good one and I certainly don’t feel exploited.... I’ve been offered three full time teaching roles in my school and have turned them down as this is a much better option for me now.... the return to ups always teases me for a few minutes but I took one and it was horrific..... I remember all the crap it brings so have turned them down. I completely get what you are saying about unqualified inexperienced tho and I’d be very unhappy if my child’s school used them x

GeorgiaGirl52 · 23/07/2019 09:41

In my area of the USA they are called "substitute teachers" and the requirements are a High School diploma and a clean arrest record. They are paid minimum wage, only work in the classroom, and cannot be asked to do playground supervision or any other non-class activity.
A Sub is legally allowed to cover a class for 19 consecutive days. If the teacher is absent for longer than that the school must hire an accredited sub and pay actual teacher wage.
School administrators get around this by hiring a sub for 19 days, an accredited teacher for 1 day, and then another Sub for 19 days, This can continue for 90 days. After that the class must be assigned a permanent accredited teacher.

fedup21 · 23/07/2019 10:22

@piefacedClique Are you secondary? What is it you cover? Is it illness/ PPA? Or do you have your own classes?

piefacedClique · 23/07/2019 10:33

I’m secondary and am a geography teacher but I just cover whatever is needed.... staff illness, meetings, planned absences, freeing up a teacher for lessons obs etc.... some days Can be really shit but other days can be great. Most importantly.... i love having zero meetings to attend, reports to write, marking to do, tracking data to enter etc etc etc.

piefacedClique · 23/07/2019 10:35

Mostly tho I love walking in at 8.30 and leaving at 3 and being able to drop off and pick up my kids 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻. I was like a serial killer when I taught full time and my kids frequently saw me stressed and tearful and now I’m able to actually be a mum!

BertrandRussell · 23/07/2019 10:36

My ds taught/will teach drama in a private school. He is 18, and has no qualifications at all. I posted about this on here recently and practically everyone seemed to think that was absolutely fine......

rededucator · 29/07/2019 22:35

Fedup21 Apologies, I meant Scotland. It would NEVER happen in Scotland.

Stellamboscha · 12/08/2019 07:47

I used to a supply teacher and worked both for agencies and directly with schools. Them most state schools took the route of directly employing 'Cover Supervisors' -effectively babysitters to oversee classes doing 'worksheet' or making posters, only employing supply teachers or supply cover supervisors for when absence exceeded their own coverage. Absence in state schools is massive. Not just 'long term sick' but the lots of odd days type of sickness which make learning tough for pupils. I now work in an independent school where staff have reduced timetables so that absence (which is much rarer) is always covered by a qualified teacher and real work is set, not just make-work. On the rare occasions outside help is needed the school has a 'bank' of retired qualified teachers from that school who come in. My own children attended an independent school and never had supply teachers, only teachers from their school. It matters who is teaching your children -but parents are mostly unaware.

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