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Yr 5 teacher problem - how to prepare for meeting with Head?

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givemesomewineplease · 27/03/2019 10:52

I’m looking for some advice from education experts out there. Our brilliant Yr 5 teacher has left and been replaced by a secondary school teacher with no primary school experience. It’s been 3.5 weeks since he arrived and he has done 2 English lessons in total (which consisted of the children just writing a story about a picture not actually being taught anything). Neither work has been marked or discussed. He seems to teach 1 subject a day, usually maths but sometimes art. My dd is so bored and unimpressed and says he doesn’t teach them anything. He also lets them play minecraft regularly during the class and do whatever they want. For maths if they say they can do the topic he is covering, he just gives them a maths textbook and tells them to work through it. Behaviour in the class seems to be out of control. TA has confirmed all the above to me privately. We are meeting with the Head shortly when I want to demand that he teaches the full curriculum including English and extends the most able. But how can I get proof and assurances this is going to happen?

What specific things can I ask for? I’m thinking a copy of the timetable, the plan in each subject for the rest of the term, information about what book they are studying in English (they’re aren’t studying anything according to my dd). Anythng else? Can I ask who is mentoring this teacher and reviewing their lessons plans etc? Bear in mind the Head is extremely difficult and won’t want to share anything with us or answer any of our questions. She uses GDPR and policies as an excuse to avoid answering parents’ questions.

We have looked around another school - private and where we could see our daughter thriving - but she has such wonderful friends at this school and only has a short time left until secondary (and 11+). Also fees would be a strain for us. Yr 6 teacher seems ok. Therefore if the achool can support this yr 5 teacher and ensure the class are taught the curriculum, and behaviour is managed then we’d stay. I just don’t know how we can get these reassurances as the head genuinely doesn’t seem to care or be open to admitting there is a problem. I have also complained to the governors but I’m not sure that they want to listen either. Any help hugely appreciated as this feels an impossible situation. We’ve had big problems with this school and Head before, which is why we know from past experience not just to wait it out because no systems are in place to monitor teachers.

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OKBobble · 27/03/2019 11:02

Governors do not deal with operational matters sonit is the Head you need to deal with.

The TA is on thin ice talking to the parents that way.

How do you know the teacher is not delivering the curriculum? His style may be different to the precious teacher but it does not mean that he isn't. He is possibly assessing the pupils and ascertaining what level they are at. He may be looking at the prior teacher's planning if she left any or having to plan from scratch.

No Head will be taking any complaints at such an early stage seriously especially when it is mainly feedback from a child. You don't know what his remit is.

Of course he may be entirely rubbish and you may be right but I suspect it is still too early to go in all guns blazing.

A softly softly approach might be better, expressing concerns about apparent lack of work being set, is he reviewing/writing up plans wtc possibly even approaching him direct before the head.

I suspect this approach would work better than approaching it in the tone of your OP but I hope it works out for you. You can of course vote with your feet if you are still not satisfied and you are luckier than some others who won't have an indie back up.

OKBobble · 27/03/2019 11:03

*previous teacher not precious

TeenTimesTwo · 27/03/2019 13:49

I too agree with softly, softly.

Concerned that DD reports not much going on, or course she may not fully appreciated what is happening etc.
Can you/we review her exercise books to see what is being learned?
Can we meet back before end of term to discuss further.

givemesomewineplease · 27/03/2019 14:28

Thank you both! I am feeling irate (past history wth the school head, hence my profound lack of trust) so I’m not being constructive. You’re absolutely right that softly softly is best, I just need keep my cool (which will be difficult as I feel so passionately but my dp will be there and under instruction to kick me if I start getting heated!). I’ve seen the school books - they’re exactly as my dd said, almost nothing in English. She’s used to working at pace and being challenged so she thinks it’s a joke. She may be 9 but she’s bright and motivated and she cannot believe how little work they are doing. Other kids I’m sure are delighted and won’t complain to their parents! Spoken to the teacher and he doesn’t seem to have a plan. He’s well known to the school (past parent & governor) and he seems to feel v relaxed about it all as he’s so at home there with no need to impress. He seemed intrigued that several of us parents asked where all the English they’ve done is. But I will try to forget the past problems and focus on asking what the plan going forward is; hopefully get some reassurance there someone senior is overseeing his lesson planning; and ask for a meeting by the end of term again to see if things have stepped up. Thank again all.

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TeenTimesTwo · 27/03/2019 14:42

Employing a maths & English tutor for the summer term would be cheaper than moving to private. Though of course won't fix boredom in the school day.

OKBobble · 27/03/2019 18:47

If he is letting them play games how do you think your DD would react if you were to send her in with some worksheets or workbooks to do during those times or will she not want to do that if her friends are playing? Just a thought.

crystal92 · 27/03/2019 18:58

Have you actually had a meeting with the teacher? Or phase or subject leader? I'm surprised the head has agreed to meet you to be honest.

DinkyDaisy · 30/03/2019 11:30

Email teacher with concerns, copying to Head if you wish, asking for a meeting.

TA not behaved well and could be in enormous trouble if you reveal them as your source...

As for your year 5, be careful. I have ended up with egg on my face more than once for taking my children's view as 'truth!'

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