I know this is mild punishment, but would you be O.K with it?

[macwoozy]

My ds told me that whilst in class, all his classmates were handed out biscuits for 'being good' but because my ds had been naughty that day, he wasn't allowed any. He's 7 years.

Completely agree with Aloha. He has ASD fgs - they sound completely clueless

Autism support very useful.

And new teacher may be more clued up.

And Year 1 may suit him better than reception

I taught a boy with AS who had skipped a year in primary school, and it worked rather well for him. He was a Maths prodigy which was rather scary but also quite good fun

As a teacher I'm currently undertaking a Thomas Training course (I Can't remember the exact nature of what THOMAS stands for The Hampshire _ Austistic Spectrum Training Course) It is brillant. I've taught autistic children before but this course has taught me so much. There are parents on the course too. AT A NEW SCHOOL ASK WHAT training staff have had.

macwoozy, only read the first post, i think it was outrageous and spiteful to be honest, if it were me, id be at the heads door in the morning.

now ive read on im really quite angry on your behalf, and sad too - poor wee soul. It sounds like you are doing the right thing removing him before the end of term. I can's see how singling out a child in this way is useful and the fact taht he probably hit out because he was stressed (sorry, i know v little about ASD) is surely something that she school should understand and, yes, of course they must explain it is wrong and why it is wrong, surely they must take his problems into consideration.

Having read this and so many other threads like this, where parents of children with SEN are angry over an incident at school, I end up feeling sorry for the primary teacher! To be at the top of your game from the word go until the end of the day, to have 30 kids all demanding/deserving of their time and particularly special needs, for which the teacher needs training for each type and then has to plan accordingly and then to monitor every action/word/deed... God, they need our undying gratitude and a bit of understanding.

I'm sincerely not having a go at the OP, indeed she hasn't expressed any harsh views and has been very balanced, but for those who want to storm up the school and sort it out, I feel like saying get a grip or, if you know how it ought to be done, become a teacher.

It is sometimes difficult to 'get a grip' when your child is miserable, isolated and finding it hard to fit in at school.

Most teachers do a wonderful job, and often problems arise from a chronic lack of funding.

Which is not the teacher's fault.

But neither is it the fault of the children.

By macwoozy on Wed 11-Jul-07 09:15:17

"I've spoken to him again this morning and it appears he did actually hit the dinnerlady knocking her glasses off, I think she was restraining him."

I can not believe that no one has commented on that statement macwoozy, I would be absolutely livid if i thought a dinnerlady was trying to restrain my child.....if that dinnerlady has not had proper training and if you have not agreed to this for your child then im my opinion that is child abuse and you need to get it sorted asap

Actually Heated, I do know how to 'do it'. But the bloody school won't listen. And I fail to see why my becoming a teacher would help. It is not 'exhaustion' that makes a teacher set an impossible punishment for a child with a disability (write neatly), it is ignorance. Would it be ok to punish a child with a limb disability by insisting they walk without a limp?

I have a feeling someone is going to come on in a minute and say that ASD disorders are all made up and just an excuse for naughty children and that diagnoses are given out like sweets etc etc etc. Been here too many times before.

ASD disorders are all made up and just an excuse for naughty children and that diagnoses are given out like sweets

.. just to save someone stupid the bother ... (no I don't think that)

Heated - ther are specific, easy to learn techniques which can be helpful and effective for teaching children with ASD. No-one is having a generalised go at teachers - and everyone knows that a teacher who has extended their professional methodolgy to include extra techniques will also have tired out end of tether moments.

What is happenming here is general inappropriate and ineffective teahing of children with SEN whether the teacher is feeling fit as a fiddle or exhausted.

Reading posts like yours I know exactly why there is an 'include SN' button and why parents of SN have occasionally been exasperated by comments from parents who do not understand. You get a grip and if you don't understand and aren't willing to understand, keep quiet.

Ah, so we should all be grateful that children with SN are allowed to attend a mainstream school and should keep quiet when it goes wrong because the poor teacher is surely only doing their best?

I would want to ask about why restraint was being used by someone who hasn't been given permission or training to do so.

Plenty of teachers are absolutely fantastic, go out of their way to understand and find ways of helping children with disabilities. This does not mean that if things are going wrong and our disabled children are being made absolutely miserable by being mishandled, that we should be 'grateful'. I have tried to be helpful to OP suggesting ways of improving home/school communication, which I had to fight like mad for but which everyone now agrees is helpful.

Not to self - leave thread now!

Agh bloody inclusion.

DS1 wkacked his teacher hard on Saturday at the (special) school fair (he was pleased to see her), then piched her a few times (he was very pleased to see her). I know it will have hurt as he did it to me the next day when I picked him up from respite.

Did we have to have apologies & punishments? No' they've decided to try and intercept with the 'hello' sign before he makes contact.

You have my sympathies- we had all sorts of problems with escalating challenging behaviours not dealt with appropriately at mainstream school.

Good idea to take him out if you're happy to - I think the end of term is a very difficult time for children with AS/HFA. Everything is 'wrong'.

I don't know what the answer is long term. I think its very difficult for ms school to access the amount of training they need. Occasionally there's a school with a head or SENCo who 'gets it', but its tricky.

Looks like I've sparked off something here by the lack of info in my OP. As mentioned cat64, I did that because I purely wanted to know if by denying biscuits or any other food item from just one child whilst all the other children recieved them for being good is a typical punishment in a school and 'not just one biscuit, some had three' he cried out. If I had started off saying he had SN's then maybe some posters might not have been so ready to reply.

However, I do appreciate that ds having HFA paints a whole different picture with regards to punishment, and I'm sorry cat64 if I've annoyed you that I initially held back from this info. I wasn't actually asking for debate, I'm just a normal parent upset over a punishment that I feel is unprofessional, SN or not.

With regards to the restraining, all my ds has had to say was she was holding on to him and wouldn't let him go. I'm not going to ask him anymore about it, he's just too emotional, so I'll never even know the full picture. I'm just relieved that he's going to have a new start at a new school that'll hopefully will know how to manage him.(fingers tightly crossed!)

I appreciate all those that have helped, it kind of empowered me to remove him from the school and do what was right for ds.