Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Education

Join the discussion on our Education forum.

Should a child getting 4s and 5s go on to A levels?

56 replies

Zappity · 23/11/2018 20:16

Or is pointless? Is the step-up to A level so big they will likely fail?

OP posts:
FourFoxCakes · 24/11/2018 19:46

Friend of mine was similar. Went to college, got treated a bit more like an adult,and blossomed. Got a good degree and is an educational psychologist now.

LynetteScavo · 24/11/2018 20:29

My DS will probably get 5s (and a couple of 6s and 4s) and no way would I push him towards Alevels. But then he's crap at exams, and I know he will do much better with course work.

DS1 got As in the subjects he studied at A level (apart from maths; he got a B) and he hated Alevels to the point he stopped going and had to do a BTEC.

But - it was the first time since he'd started school he'd been required to do any work.

I know another person who worked hard for Bs and Ca at GCSE, then continued to work hard for Alevels, then found her degree a walk in the park and graduated with a first.

So I'd say don't write your child off just because they won't get straight 9s, but maybe a BTEC might be a better option, and I've learned not to be snobby about them.

Soursprout · 24/11/2018 20:33

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Amaaboutthis · 24/11/2018 23:16

I have 2 students with a 4 on my A level maths course. They won’t pass

Why on earth have they been allowed on the course? An equivalent of a low C has never been high enough for maths A level. I know children with A* at GCSE who have struggled with maths A level. It’s simply not fair to put children through that and to allow them to take a course they’ve little chance of passing. I’m expecting DS to scape a 7 for maths. I would be seriously concerned if he wanted to take it for A level - fortunately he doesn’t, but I wouldn’t be confident that he could even be capable of it

Jeffacake · 25/11/2018 08:28

@Amaaboutthis because SLT want bums on seats for funding. Totally unethical but that’s the way some schools are having to operate due to funding cuts. Stick 25 kids all in my a level class when only 10 have then potential to do well. Expect me to support, teach and mark 25 kids work knowing the majority won’t do well.

LoniceraJaponica · 25/11/2018 09:21

I have 2 students with a 4 on my A level maths course. They won’t pass

"Why on earth have they been allowed on the course?"

Unless there is a back story no decent school or 6th form college would allow students with anything less than an A/A* equivalent to do A level maths. It is such a stupid idea and so unfair to the students.

I do understand the funding issue. DD's school was one of the most underfunded schools in the country, but they realised that if they wanted to attract good A level students they needed to have good results. As it is, the school is in a rural market town and is oversubscribed so most of the 6th form students are from the school anyway.

ChocolateWombat · 25/11/2018 15:22

There is statistical evidence of outcomes at A Level in different subjects,mfrommdifferent GCSE starting points.

There is evidence that in Maths, unless you have a 7 or an A or above you are unlikely to get more than an E and hardly anyone exceeds a D. Very many fail.

In some subjects it will be possible to achieve a decent grade with a 6.

Most schools which have 6th Forms rely on both GCSEs and teacher knowledge. Funding issues aside (which push schools and colleges to take students into courses where the prospects for that student are very poor) teachers often know about a students capability and work ethic and if a GCSE grade achieved is a lucky success or a disappointment and can advise based on that. Often those with a low 7 at maths GCSE aren't actually suited to further Maths study.

Parents should ask schools/colleges what the likely A Level outcome is in different subjects from the starting point.

I would say 4s and 5s should definitely not be doing A Levels and those with a string of 6s might need a combination of 1 or 2 A Levels and something else with it.

The problem is that kids and parents want them to do A Levels and schools need students in place to get funding and so people are let onto courses where good grades are unlikely. Depends what you want ....if 2Es is a good outcome, then it might be achievable, but starting out with a series of 5s and 6s at GCSE under the idea that you are likely to get all Bs at A Level and have a wide range of competitive courses available to you is just daft.....but students don't know unless they are told and people aren't always great at telling them unless pressed pretty hard.

TeenTimesTwo · 25/11/2018 16:16

I wouldn't (haven't) recommended a child of mind getting 4s and 5s should do A levels. The likelihood is you come out with something like DDD or CDE, and where does that take you? I think a decent BTEC does well is likely to be better.
If you have only mastered the syllabus/techniques well enough at GCSE to get a 5, you're really not in a great place to succeed with harder A level stuff imo.
An kids who were bright but idle at GCSE are maybe likely to carry on being bright but idle at A level, and it just won't cut it

Zappity · 25/11/2018 16:26

Is there anywhere that publishes the correlation between GCSE grade and subsequent attainment in A levels? Data would help.

OP posts:
TeenTimesTwo · 25/11/2018 17:33

Zappity Yes there is. Seeassets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/183942/DFE-RR195.pdf Section 3.3 page 18->

smerlin · 25/11/2018 17:44

We never let people with less than a 6 take A level and those would be on a case by case basis. Official minimum is 7.

LoniceraJaponica · 25/11/2018 17:47

Great post Chocolate

The students who achieved mostly Cs at GCSE when DD took hers in 2016 really struggled with A levels, and none of them got higher than a D.

Danglingmod · 25/11/2018 17:50

A level maths with a 4 at GCSE??? The most bonkers thing I've heard in a while!

Ds got an A* at igcse with hard work and wouldn't have wanted to attempt A level!

LoniceraJaponica · 25/11/2018 17:53

Same with DD Danging. She was so pleased to give up maths. although she needed quite a bit of maths for chemistry A level.

ToastedSandwichObsession · 25/11/2018 18:13

Dangling mine also got A* in gcse maths and also couldn't wait to drop it. She had no intention of continuing, she got that grade from sheer hard work but didn't enjoy the subject.

LoniceraJaponica · 25/11/2018 18:23

Oops, sorry about the typo Danglingmod

Villanellesproudmum · 25/11/2018 18:28

Just out of interest are people talking Year 10 or 11. My daughter is putting zero effort in and getting 4 - 6s so I’m a little worried, she is Year 10, sorry to jump in OP

LoniceraJaponica · 25/11/2018 18:36

I assumed it was the actual GCSE results everyone was talking about here, so end of year 11.

brizzledrizzle · 25/11/2018 18:41

Our local sixth form want the equivalent of As and Bs for A level subjects.

TheHobbitMum · 25/11/2018 18:56

Depending on the subject there could well be minimum levels that are needed for the subject. My DD & DS college have requirement of minimum lvl 6 for maths & languages etc I think they could well struggle with a levels and maybe Btec or Vocational courses could suit better

tinytemper66 · 25/11/2018 19:02

My son did - similar grades (in Wales) and had a B and D. He is now in RAF. He could have applied for uni but didn't want to- school was pushing for him to go.

Moomin37 · 25/11/2018 19:08

I got mostly Cs at GCSE and the careers adviser suggested I looked at GNVQs. Stuff that I thought and went onto sixth form at the same school (large comp) and got three Bs at A-level and a B at AS. Went to university and got a first class honours degree then a few years later got a masters with distinction including 90% for my dissertation that my tutor wanted me to get published. I am now in a senior management role earning £50k.

The reason? Well I'm bloody determined and hard working for a start, for some reason I was in the lower sets at school so only taught to GCSE grade C type standard and I thrived on having more responsibility for my own learning and learning in a way that suited me (as opposed to the classroom style at school that didn't suit me as I never seemed to understand).

AndromedaPerseus · 25/11/2018 19:22

Lots of second and third tier universities will still take students with Ds& Es at A-level often with unconditional offers because they need bums on seats though chances of these students then getting a graduate level job afterwards are slim.

AlexanderHamilton · 25/11/2018 19:26

Most schools and colleges around here want at least 6’s with 7’s if taking maths and science. There is only one college with an inclusive ethos and they require minimum Grade 5’s.

I think someone with 4/5 might be better served looking at other options.

areyoubeingserviced · 25/11/2018 19:38

It’s absolutely awful that children with 4’s are doing A level maths. My dad got an 8 but didn’t want to A Level Maths as she knew that she would struggle
Most sixth forms only accept those with seven and above to do maths.

Please create an account

To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account.

This thread is closed and is no longer accepting replies. Click here to start a new thread.