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Scottish school system confusion

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Wingingit44 · 01/08/2018 23:24

Can someone kindly help me work this out. Looking to move from England to Scotland with
ds1 (5 - July birthday, about to go into year 2),
ds2 (4 - Jan birthday, about to go into reception),
and dd3 (2 - December birthday, will get 15 hour funding in January).

Will one of the boys jump up a year... and ds2 miss a year?! Would dd3 still get 15 hour funding?

Thanks! :)

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Boatsnack3 · 01/08/2018 23:33

As far as I can tell your DS1 would be going into P1at just turned 5 if your ds2 is already 4 he has the option to start p1 this August or defer till next August when he's 5+. Dd would start nursery the term after she turns 3. Hth

Bonnylassie · 01/08/2018 23:42

Have you got your oldest childs age/year group correct? My daughter was 6 in July she is going into P2 but if she was in england she would be going into year 2, her cousin is a few weeks older than her and is going into year 2 in september. A july 5 year old should be year 1/p1 in both systems.
Your middle child can either start P1 in august or stay an extra year in nursery (dont forget we dont have reception up here).

EllenJanesthickerknickers · 01/08/2018 23:44

Is your DS1 6 or there's less than 9 months between them?

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Wingingit44 · 01/08/2018 23:48

Haha I have totally got it wrong... ds1 is 6!
Does that mean he would repeat a year having already done year 1 in england?

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HirplesWithHaggis · 01/08/2018 23:53

If he's six now, he will go into P2.

Sarahplane · 01/08/2018 23:54

if your DS1 has just turned 6 he'll be going into P2. DS2 would be going into P1 and be one of the youngest so you'd have the choice to keep him in nursery for another year. Your dd would start getting funding the term after she turns 3.

SciFiFan2015 · 01/08/2018 23:57

I've posted in the other thread. Eldest son into P2, youngest son into P1 with option to defer. DD too young. Funding term after they turn 3 (so probably Jan)

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Wingingit44 · 02/08/2018 00:09

Thanks.

So how does it work going from year 1 to p2... are they equivalent and therefore he would be redoing the same stuff?

Is there ever case for him to go into p3 or are they strict about the age ranges?

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Wingingit44 · 02/08/2018 00:11

And does deferring p1 mean missing it and going straight into p2? Or you do an extra year of nursery and go into p1 a bit older than most of the others?

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WaxOnFeckOff · 02/08/2018 00:19

The curriculum won't be exactly the same but P2 will be broadly similar to y2. There would be no scope for going into p3. As for deferring, if you defer your DS2 would still start in P1 but at 5 and a half instead of 4 and a half.

WaxOnFeckOff · 02/08/2018 00:22

We don't have reception class but pre school nursery is play based learning not dissimilar to reception but for less hours and less structured.

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Wingingit44 · 02/08/2018 00:23

Thanks. So essentially reception in England is another year of playgroup in Scotland?

How common is it for children to defer P1?

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Wingingit44 · 02/08/2018 00:24

Cross post re 1st question

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Bananajuice · 02/08/2018 00:27

I would check if the area you are moving to would give funding for nursery in the deferred year, my friend never got funding when she wanted to defer

FannyFifer · 02/08/2018 00:29

School nursery I'm guessing is similar to reception.
We can get a two year place.
DD is a Feb birthday so I deferred school, she was 5 in the Feb then started school that August.

BakedBeans47 · 02/08/2018 00:30

Jan and Feb birthdays can defer entry to p1 and IME it happens quite often.

BakedBeans47 · 02/08/2018 00:31

So DS2 by his birthday should be going into p1 but if you defer he won’t start p1 til next year x

WaxOnFeckOff · 02/08/2018 00:32

As far as I understand it, a lot of Jan to March defer and some pre January do. I think January onwards is readily accepted and funding for the extra year at nursery more or less automatic. Deferring an older child whilst it can be done can sometimes mean a bit of a fight to have funding supplied. Technically you are not obliged to send your child to school until they are 5 so a September birthday could defer until they were almost 6. In practice you'd be unlikely to get a nursery place funded unless there were extenuating circumstances.

BakedBeans47 · 02/08/2018 00:34

my friend never got funding when she wanted to defer
Here you can automatically defer and get extra funding if your child is a jan or Feb birthday but if their birthday is earlier you might not get funding

flossietoot · 02/08/2018 00:38

Haven’t read everything but essentially children in Scotland start school a bit later and do a year less all together. I am from NI which is more similar to the English system and we have just moved back from Scotland. English reception and p1 very similar I would imagine- Scotland not further ahead despite starting school later

AvoidingDM · 02/08/2018 00:44

P1 is like Reception but more structured.
P2 is like Yr1

Your eldest is age for P2, speak with the school to ensure they don't end up bored and coasting for a year.

Middle child can either start P1 in 2019 or 20 depending on how ready they are for school. Approx 25% of January babies defer, 50% of February babies do to.

Little one will get nursery place either the day they turn 3 or the start of the next term (January) depending on the L.A. policy.

AvoidingDM · 02/08/2018 00:45

Sorry I've got it wrong for middle child they can either start this year or next. (I thought they weren't 4 yet)

AvoidingDM · 02/08/2018 00:53

One of the big issues about pushing DC1 into P3 is he would be younger than the next child by 6 months and the oldest kids in the year would be 18mths older than him ie 7 and half starting in August.

Not so much an issue in Primary but a big issue going into High school.

I think your best bet is to keep him in the right year but get the school to give him more advanced work but let the others catch up.

WaxOnFeckOff · 02/08/2018 06:58

You can't make the assumption that DC1 will be ahead of his peers in P2. In P2 both my DC were reading Harry Potter and passed (at that time) level C in both writing and reading and passed it on maths first term of P3. They weren't the only ones in the class to do so and this was in a b og standard primary with above average levels of deprivation. He will be around the middle of the age range in the class rather than one of the youngest as he would have been in England. Even if your child was prodigious they would be reluctant to move them out of their age group.

B00dyM4ry · 02/08/2018 07:17

You need to think about the longer bigger picture here for dc2. Is it better to be one of the oldest in High school or one of the youngest? In my peer group all Jan/Feb birthdays defer to the next year. They are pretty much the same as the March to May cohort so don't stand out as being any older but imo benefit massively from being totally ready for school.

I think anecdotally boys in particular benefit from being one of the older ones.

I wouldn't go down the moving up a year for dc1 - there are huge social benefits from being with your peers and maturity in high school again is massively important. Children start school in England start school way too early imo!

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