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Should I just give up with reading schemes?

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20PoundsOfCrazyInA5PoundBag · 07/01/2018 23:24

Im struggling to find sets over level 10. He has a couple, B,C&K and alien adventure, and he's on around 13. All the rest seem not come in sets so super expensive, trust me I've been looking. Should I just give up on them now and just let him read his jr novels or is there anything important about the later levels?

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user789653241 · 10/01/2018 11:56

This was introduced in one of G&T thread. I would have got this if I saw this when my ds was younger. Very expensive though.

spielgaben.com/

Chrys2017 · 10/01/2018 12:21

Incidentally the materials needed for the games I'm talking about can all be easily made yourself—apart from a set of dice that is needed for one of the number games.

MiaowTheCat · 10/01/2018 12:44

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steppemum · 10/01/2018 13:02

They will pick up from wherever he is so it means if I take him off leveled books he'll stay off them

any school worth their salt will test him to see what reading level/age he is. Don't worry about 'taking him off' the reading scheme.
Reading schemes are just books. Buy and read a wide variety of books, as wide as possible, include funny poem, books in rhyme, picture books with beautiful art work for older children as well as children's novels.
Find books which expand his horizons. There is a veyr simple set of books about a girl who goes to the National Gallery, use that as a basis for looking at different styles of pictures and places and so on.

Someone up thread said - well done you have given him a huge start in life, well, I am sorry to say that isn't exactly true.

Early readers often balance out by about year 3, and if you want to find the children who can write the best creative writing aged 7, then it is linked to the children who were doing the most imaginative play aged 4, not the ones who were doing the most reading, so while it is great he is reading, I would concentrate on making sure he has a broad and wide experience base, including things like playing in muddy puddles, building dens in the wood, museums, climbing on a Roman wall, cooking and so on.

As to maths, counting things is the starting point, then addition, subtraction, making things into sets, time, weight, measurement and so on.
It is essential that he grasps them well with objects, before doign anythign written. Doing it aroudn the house is the best way - ds please can you get out 4 forks for dinner. If Granny and Grandpa had dinner with us, how many more forks would we need? And how many is that altogether? Start with up to 10, then 20, then 100.

20PoundsOfCrazyInA5PoundBag · 10/01/2018 21:56

@BertrandRussell no not all kids are the same. They should play the way they enjoy not how you think they should.

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20PoundsOfCrazyInA5PoundBag · 10/01/2018 22:07

@MiaowTheCat I would worry so much if he read horrid Henry. I've never read them myself but a protagonist consistently being the naughty kid doesn't sit well with me. I'm probably being too cautious though, I don't even let him watch pepper pig. He's actually loving the grown up biff chip and kipper at the moment. But I guess when he's finished them I'll just take him down the book shop then.

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dragonwarrior · 10/01/2018 22:12

He starts school this year and is still in a buggy?! I worry more about that than the reading....

BackforGood · 10/01/2018 22:25

BetrandRussell is absolutely right.
Play gives children problem solving skills, teaches them to risk assess, teaches them how to negotiate, teaches them emotional resiliance, teaches them about spatial awareness, about pressure and angles and weights and measures. It introduces extensive language. It is all about doing rather than just theorising.
Without playing, other learning is very limited.

SparkleFizz · 10/01/2018 22:31

Seriously dragon?

Most children starting Reception this year will still be closer to their 3rd birthday than their 4th birthday, and if OP walks a lot, it’s hardly surprising that her DS might get tired legs now and again.

BertrandRussell · 10/01/2018 22:48

"Most children starting Reception this year will still be closer to their 3rd birthday than their 4th birthday,"

Really? Has school admission changed, then?

BertrandRussell · 10/01/2018 22:51

"They should play the way they enjoy not how you think they should."
No- all sorts of play is vital. Children do not necessarily know what's good for them.

20PoundsOfCrazyInA5PoundBag · 10/01/2018 22:56

@BertrandRussell sorry to burst your bubble but we aren't all "perfect" parents who force their kids to do things they don't like arbitrarily. Some of us just love our kids for who they are.

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BertrandRussell · 10/01/2018 22:58

"@BertrandRussell sorry to burst your bubble but we aren't all "perfect" parents who force their kids to do things they don't like arbitrarily. Some of us just love our kids for who they are."
"Force" a child to play? When has that ever happened!

20PoundsOfCrazyInA5PoundBag · 10/01/2018 22:59

@BertrandRussell that is literally what you just suggested

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BertrandRussell · 10/01/2018 23:02

I would certainly limit a child's time on screens and encourage play. children don't need to be forced to play, just given the space and opportunity.

20PoundsOfCrazyInA5PoundBag · 10/01/2018 23:04

@SparkleFizz thank you.
My son is actually asthmatic and is partially sighted. Its perfectly normal for kids like him to use a buggy up until they are 6 to get around outside. Not that I should have to justify a preschooler using a buggy.

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wiltingfast · 10/01/2018 23:08

Are you reading only fiction?

You could go for a wider variety of non fiction which would stimulate his interests in other things besides reading? Plus you could link it back to play and projects? Nature walks, stone hunting, art, history etc. expand his horizons. Can't do any harm. Sounds like he has reading fairly nailed?

At his level I'd suspect it's becoming more reading for content than reading to learn more reading.

Kokeshi123 · 11/01/2018 02:22

If you live in an urban area and don't drive (the OP mentions trains, not cars), then it is quite usual to take a buggy if you are going out on an all-day trip. Otherwise it is literally hours of walking and kids get utterly exhausted.

steppemum · 11/01/2018 10:44

whether you like it or not OP, Betrand is right.
Lovely that he is reading, but giving him awide breadth of experience is the best thing to do with a pre-schooler. Lots of interaction, lots of language in use, not just read, lots of physical stuff, kicking a ball, climbing frame, running, building sandcastles.

These things are so important, they allow the whole child to develop, and are closely linked. Small children for example, write more neatly after they have been using their gross motor skills, ie running around. There is a link between gross motor skills and fine motor skills. Children who have experience a wide range of tactile experiences (sand, mud, playdough, flour, etc) have at their finger tips a wide range of vocabulary to draw on when spekanig and writing.

Play is the way in which kids process the world. If he loves reading that is great, but encourage him to put the books down and play. Also, remember that his spoken vocabulary needs practise, which he can do through play.

20PoundsOfCrazyInA5PoundBag · 11/01/2018 14:54

@steppemum no forcing a child to pointlessly do thing they don't like to fit your ideals will only hurt them

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20PoundsOfCrazyInA5PoundBag · 11/01/2018 14:56

@wiltingfast I had thought of that, but it's hard to find ones that aren't boring

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Chrys2017 · 11/01/2018 15:26

@20PoundsOfCrazyInA5PoundBag
Further to my note yesterday, I have discovered that things have moved on somewhat since "my day" and the number sense games are now available as an iPad app!

Here is an informative article on the need to develop early number sense:
www.nativebrain.com/2012/11/number-sense-what-it-is-why-its-important-and-how-it-develops/

And link to the app (I believe it costs ten dollars):
itunes.apple.com/us/app/native-numbers-complete-number/id570231808?mt=8

It must be such a joy to have a young child that loves learning!

20PoundsOfCrazyInA5PoundBag · 11/01/2018 17:50

@Chrys2017 Oh thank you!

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SparkleFizz · 11/01/2018 22:52

but it's hard to find ones that aren't boring

Do you mean hard to find non-fiction that’s not boring?
What topics is he interested in? My DS’s are keen on just about any book about cars. I find these very dull but they can’t seem to get enough of them. We’ve had Usbourne’s “Look Inside Cars”
as a bedtime story every night this week 😴
Thankfully it’s due back at the library soon!

SparkleFizz · 11/01/2018 22:58

Does he do any writing or drawing BTW?