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Music grades - what age/grade did your DC stop taking music grade exams

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dollybird · 12/09/2017 15:57

DD is 14 and plays cornet, which she has done since year 4. She enjoys playing and is in the school concert band and jazz band. She took her grade 5 last year (at the same time as DS who is a year older). She failed with a score of 91. She re-sat it in July and we've just received the result and she failed again with a score of 78. I'm really disappointed for her as she did practice a lot. She's just gone into year 10 (was only 14 two weeks ago), and I'm wondering if we should call it a day on the grades so she can a) focus on her GCSEs and b) not lose her enjoyment of playing.

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catslife · 12/09/2017 16:43

If it was the ABRSM exam that she failed then would recommend looking at the Trinity syllabus instead as the repertoire is different and it may be a bit more interesting choosing different pieces.
Exams after grade 5 require grade 5 theory so would suggest having another go and unless she is taking GCSE music, would be OK to stop there.
dd lost interest in trumpet aged 14 so not that uncommon at this stage.

dollybird · 12/09/2017 16:54

She is doing GCSE music and really enjoys it. DS is in year 11 and did pass grade 5 last year, but no sign of being put in for his grade 5 theory. Thanks for the tip re trinity, will look into that.

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raspberryrippleicecream · 14/09/2017 21:32

You are absolutely right, there is no reason to take exams if she doesn't want to do them. Incidentally Trinity exams don't require theory after Grade 5.

If she did want to carry on with grades it is possible to do them fit them in round GCSEs/Alevels. DS1 did grade exams on trombone in March Y12 and on Tuba in March Y13. He had to put a predicted grade on his UCAS form although it wasn't relevant to his course.

DD also did a grade exam in the March of her GCSE year.

HemiDemiSemiquaver · 15/09/2017 09:35

Does she have an individual teacher, or does she just learn through band? Is it ABRSM? Because a score of 78 (out of 150) sounds like something has gone very wrong, not just her not being quite ready to take the exam. Was she prepared with knowing what scales/technical exercises to do? Did she know about having to do the sight reading and aural tests? Even having a go at those, the barest minimum of responses, gets quite a lot of marks.

I wonder if she panicked somehow and didn't end up completing all the sections, or if she really lost her nerve and couldn't play much at all. That happened to me in one exam and I missed out most of the scales section through panicking.

What did her accompanist think of the pieces that were accompanied?

There is a whole thread in the 'extra curricular' forum about music and music exams, with people who are very experienced.

GoodyGoodyGumdrops · 15/09/2017 10:18

Why do the grades matter? Surely the pleasure, sociability and development are more important?

FWIW dc1 has just got A* in GCSE Music and is taking it for A-Level, and the only grade exam he has ever taken was Grade 1 violin. He didn't enjoy the grading exam preparations. He has tried different instruments, but never took any of them to a high level. But he loves music and enjoys his studies. He composes for pleasure, and rearranges (I don't know the proper terminology) other people's music for pleasure, too.

HemiDemiSemiquaver · 15/09/2017 10:51

Grades are not necessarily important, and there's no problem progressing without ever taking an exam, or following that sort of syllabus, particularly if a child is having fun and taking part in a sociable activity.

On the other hand, it is nice to make progress on an instrument, if that's what a child wants. There is no need at all for exams to show that this is actually happening, as hopefully it'll just be obvious by listening, learning new things, and so on - but if a child does take an exam, and doesn't do well/goes backwards, then it might be interesting to consider possible reasons why - e.g., the panic I mentioned above, or not knowing they had to do aural, or not knowing how to sightread if they've always learned by ear, or preparing the wrong pieces, etc - all which do happen; or, indeed, not actually making progress on the instrument! If it's panic/not liking exams/etc - then one solution is just not to do them again, and carry on progressing and enjoying without them. Or if the child does want to keep taking them, then looking at ways of helping performance nerves, increasing performance opportunities, dealing with anxiety, etc. If it's not being prepared properly, then the solution might be in part to make sure the parent also knows the syllabus, checks that all elements are learned, supports the prep by getting books of aural tests. If it's lack of preparation as well as not progressing well on the instrument, then it might be time to look at changing teacher, or adding individual lessons if it's only been group lessons so far ,etc. A failed exam can give you lots of information, and it doesn't have to mean giving up on exams if you don't want to - but equally, there is nothing wrong with that if you do.

There are also jazz exams that might suit her, if that's more her style of music and if she does want to do the exams.

dollybird · 15/09/2017 21:40

She has lessons at school through the county music service. We are lucky as both DS and DD are taught 2 to 1, so the cost of the lessons is very reasonable. I'm not sure what went wrong in the exam as DD hasn't picked up the report yet. She ought to have been ready as she took it a year ago and failed by only nine marks. She thought it went better this time, so I'm a bit baffled - hopefully the report will shed some light.

It's hard for either me or DH to help her as neither of us is musical, so if she were practicing her scales I wouldn't have a clue if they were right or not. They only sit the exams once per year in July, so she may well change her mind by then, but at the moment she'd rather not take it. Will need to get to the bottom of it though as if it's nerves/panic etc we will need to help her with that (she's very shy) as she will need to record her performance for her GCSE this year.

School have another new band (brass band) which she will probably be joining with DS (he does concert band but not jazz band), so she will have more opportunity to practice, and I think she likes the social aspect of being in the different bands.

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jeanne16 · 16/09/2017 07:09

I would stop music exams. I think they damaged my children's enjoyment of playing instruments. They end up spending months practising the same 3 pieces plus boring scales. My DS dropped trumpet after Grade 5 and took up a second instrument. He had lessons but we made it clear he would not do any exams. He enjoyed the lessons and still plays that instrument.

Wheresthattomoibabber · 16/09/2017 07:19

Scales become important from about grade 5 onwards - they crop up in parts in pieces and knowing the fingerings for the key you are playing in does matter. They're not just designed to be mean and boring!

What does the teacher say? That is quite a large amount to fail by.

Wheresthattomoibabber · 16/09/2017 07:20

Don't forget that the higher grades have UCAS points attached.

HemiDemiSemiquaver · 16/09/2017 07:50

there's no reason to practice the same pieces for months. They should play lots of pieces of a similar standard (on the grade list or otherwise), and then choose exam pieces nearer the time.

You/her teacher can enter her for December or March exams as well if you want; they don't have to be at school - each area has a music centre that will have the exams. You'll just have to get her there/arrange accompanist (but teacher can help with that).

Even if you don't know what the scales should sound like, there are apps that help, recordings, lots of recordings of the pieces and accompaniments, downloads of the accompaniments, youtube videos of people of various standards playing the pieces, CDs and apps with the aural tests on, etc, that all might give you an idea if she was at the right standard, or if she was under prepared, or if she plays fine and had trouble with the exam situation. 78 is a lot to fail by (if it's ABRSM out of 150) and I'd wonder if the teacher was experienced enough to know when she was ready to be put in - maybe she should be at a lower level til she progresses more, or maybe she needs a new teacher.

Or maybe she just doesn't get on well with exams and will progress fine if you stop them.

dollybird · 16/09/2017 08:07

She already has grade 4, but that was the first one she did, as their teacher at junior school didn't put children in for grades.

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rachrach2 · 16/09/2017 08:10

I would look at changing teacher as it sounds like she wasn't properly prepared. I taught a girl once who had failed her grade 2 twice. I moved her onto grade 3 and she got a merit a year later but when she came to me it was obvious she had a few issues with her playing that matter even at grade 2 level.

I'd also consider stopping exams and just playing for fun but, in my experience, a lot of children stagnate and don't continue to improve when they do this (I guess lack of motivation rather than the lack of exams does this).

(Scales are important to learn regardless, even though they're dull!)

dollybird · 16/09/2017 08:14

It is ABRSM. Keep forgetting to reply to that question.

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HemiDemiSemiquaver · 16/09/2017 08:15

Here's a thread about a child who failed grade 1, changed teachers, and went on to progress very successfully - might be some ideas in there.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/extra_curricular_activities/1187035-Grade-1-Violin-failure

dollybird · 16/09/2017 08:16

We've already paid for this year's lessons. I don't get how she can have been more ready a year ago.

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HemiDemiSemiquaver · 16/09/2017 08:19

She didn't surely play the same pieces for a whole year? That would be torture! And could easily explain lack of motivation/nerves/going backward. That is a lot to go backwards by though.

There is lots on the ABRSM website about how exams are marked, which couldl be useful - knowing that any response in the aural tests gets half the marks, and no response gets nothing!

Also the syllabuses change now and then, so you need to make sure her pieces were in date for the right one (though I think even if they're not, the examiners give a mark anyway, and the teacher is the one they get a bit stroppy with).

Crumbs1 · 16/09/2017 08:19

Our experience is county music scheme lessons aren't sufficient for higher grades. Certainly for violin, bassoon and flute ours needed individual lessons outside school because the school ones were too short, frequently missed because they swop timetables around and disturbed by the general commotion of a busy music department.

You don't need to do grades but recognition of achievement is good. Additional UCAS points do no harm and if they want to play into adulthood some orchestras will want grades.

jeanne16 · 16/09/2017 19:03

I wish people would stop telling pupils that Music grades count for UCAS points. It is entirely misleading. Very few universities now bother with UCAS points. They look at A level grades. It really should not be a factor in deciding whether to do music exams.

BishopstonFaffing · 16/09/2017 22:35

I just thought it was a nice extra to get UCAS points. Sorry didn't mean to be misleading. (NC by the way)

raspberryrippleicecream · 17/09/2017 19:39

I know someone gone to uni today whose 2 Grade 8s have helped towards the points she needed. But I would agree its unusual.

To continue to be awkward, those Grade 8s, along with my own DCs were achieved with school lessons, so they can be ok for higher grades.

Can't she just play and move forward for a bit? She could do a higher Grade later on if she wanted.

Couchpotato3 · 17/09/2017 19:49

Wait and see what the report says, but to be honest, after two fails at Grade 5, I'd be ditching the exams and encouraging her to play for the social aspects of being in a band.
I'd also be taking a long hard look at what the teacher has been doing with her over the last year. Even if you're not musical yourself, you can work out whether she has been stuck playing just the same three exam pieces and whether she has been offered any help and resources for the supporting tests (aural, sight-reading, scales).
Also, what is the teacher's take on what's happened? You could perhaps go for a trial lesson with another teacher and get their assessment of your daughter's capabilities to give you an alternative view.

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