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How did you decide whether to tutor for 11+?

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SexNamesRFab · 23/06/2017 12:06

DD 8yo (just finishing year 3) is bright - she's always performed above her expected age, gets tons of homework that she doesn't particularly struggle with and is a good reader. However, she's not particularly studious - i.e. Has to be cajoled into starting homework and is not at all competitive about her marks.

We live near Bexley and Kent, so some parents have started talking about tutoring for the 11+. I think she could potentially do well enough and of course I want to give her every opportunity in life. However, I don't want to put her under unnecessary strain or set her up to fail. How did you decide if it was the right thing to do?

If it's relevant - I won a bursary to a private school which I absolutely loved and excelled at. I just want her to have the same kind of opportunity to thrive as I did.

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PettsWoodParadise · 23/06/2017 12:39

We got some of the Bonds and Letts ten minute tests and tried those with DD in the summer before Y5. Although she did quite well as we worked full time we thought a tutor may be a good idea (trying for NW, Bexley & Kent) and did try one but they were a waste of time, not teaching areas of weakness and really just going through standard tests so we did home familiarisation ourselves. I think we got caught up in the 'you must tutor hype' but quickly saw the light.

Like your DD our DD was already at a good level, she was widely read and her vocabulary extensive. The NVR and VR were elements that were alien rather than the maths and English. Also timing and working at speed were techniques we needed to work on. Mock tests helped with technique as well as practice at home. The mocks also identified areas of weakness so we could avoid hours of work. In Y5 we just did one hour a week and then during summer holidays before tests about half an hour a day. DD had been to the open days and so was motivated as she really wanted to go to one of the schools in particular.

She is now just coming to the end of Y7 of her grammar school and loving it so we did something right!

Threeschools · 23/06/2017 16:20

It entirely depends on what are your state schools alternatives. If she is able then she is likely to make it to grammar/selective indie with appropriate coaching; I wouldn't walk into this without tutoring, whether DIY or paid, in these days and ages. If your alternative state school is dire, (in either absolute or relative terms) then I would definitely tutor, if it is an outstanding state school then maybe not.

ChocolateWombat · 25/06/2017 15:49

If you have decided to do 11+, then some form of preparation is likely to be needed.
These days, especially in the areas where there are super selectives (Grammars with no catchment area and no pass mark, just the top X number from perhaps sleeve rail thousand applicants getting the places) being clever alone, isn't enough to get you in. All of those plus lots more will be very clever, and those who get the extra couple of marks which get them the place are also very speedy and accurate, which comes through practice. Of course, many Grammars a not superselective and in those areas, being in the top 20-30% may be good enough rather than the top 5%.
Even in the fully selective countries like Bucks and Kent, most people getting Grammar places do some preparation. However, Tutoring can mean many things and it might involve a paid person, but can just as well involve a parent. The key thing is that the child is sufficiently familiarised with both the content of the tests in the relevant area, the styles of Qs and the speed needed. Paid tutors can clearly do this, but there are also loads of materials available for free or purchase which means thousands of parents do it every year too.
For a parent to do it successfully I think;

  • they need to have time to put into it - for researching, reading up and then delivering
  • they need to have the confidence that they can do it and that they can work productively with their child
  • they need to be resilient - because it's not always an easy process.

Having said these things, lots of people think parents can be the best tutors, because their level of commitment to their own child is always higher than that of a Tutor. They can be flexible and work with their child little and often.

However, lots of people choose to pay. They might not have the time to research and deliver due to work or other family stuff, they may not be confident that they can successfully deliver the material or think their child won't be co-operative if working with them and it will damage their relationship. they prefer to use someone who has experience of the process.

At the end of the day, it's a personal choice and there isn't a right answer. Equally there isn't a right answer as to how intensively a child is prepared. Some people do a full 2 years and others say 6 months is enough. Others just do a few weeks which is little more than making sure the child has seen past papers so knows what they look like. However, to so absolutely nothing is a mistake. If the first time you see non verbal reasoning questions is the day of your 11+ or have to spend valuable time grappling with what questions mean because you sent familiar with the terminology or paper or answer sheet style, then a child is definitely disadvantaged.

The 11+ exams forum is very detailed on all of this and has sections devoted to different regions which might be useful to you. Do t be put off by those who are zealots of the 11+ and everything related to it - there is loads of great advice there and many people who have been through the process share their wealth on info in order to make the process smoother for others.

JustRichmal · 25/06/2017 16:44

At this stage, rather than tutoring a lot for VR and NVR, I would tutor her for maths and English. Dd spent a year or so building up her VR and NVR skills. At Grammar she does a lot of maths and English, which were part of the entrance exam also, but has never been given lessons on"spot the odd one out". These are skills needed only for the 11+, so the less time they can waste on them, the better. However, I would build the VR and NVR skills from about a year before, because they do not test innate ability, but they do test who has had the most coaching for these tests.
On the other hand, Letts or CGP do excellent books for KS2 and so tutoring at home is easy if you have the time. Building up maths and English skills will help with the NVR and VR anyway.

user1497480444 · 25/06/2017 18:06

I agree with everything Chocolate wombat said

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