Bloody private schools

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Sorry for the ranty headline. It's just that our school has lost 3 NQTs to top private schools this year. Obviously we're doing too good a job of training them, and not able to do a good enough job of paying them!

It seems to me the private sector should compensate the state sector for the talent it strips from it's hard working but vulnerable neighbours.

It might be the money, but it seems far more likely to be ofsted/sats/paperwork/class sizes/red tape driving them out. Which means it's not about your school (most schools are struggling with retention) but the whole terrifyingly underfunded education system.

Our DS is in a private school. Over the years the subject of state vs private has come up with a number of his teachers, all of whom have experience of both sectors. They all said better funding in indies and the opportunity to teach generally motivated kids rather than focus on 'crowd control'.

I don't mind people working private.
I do think if you take a £10,000/20,000 bursary to train you should be required to serve a set number of years in the state sector.

£20,000 bursary is almost a full teacher being employed in a school for a year.

Or, better still sort out pay and conditions in state sector, stop excessive change and people would want to stay state without training bursaries.

Considering teacher training bursaries are mostly appalling compared to other graduate training schemes and they have to pay £9000 fees. Why om earth should they be obliged to stay.

Pay teachers a decent wage. Give them am achievable amount of work and then they might stay

If teachers move to the indie sector instead of going into other careers at least they are not lost entirely - if conditions change, or they decide to go for leadership in education at least the talent pool is retaining teaching skills and keeping them up to date instead of evaporating.

DH works in all and every sort of school across the year

• Private schools do not pay better
• Private school parents are nastier to teachers (but nicer to each other)
• State school teachers feel less listened to
• both sets hate the paperwork
• both sets hate the DfE
• both sets have a recriutment crisis that no politician will address

Some teachers are FAB at selective schools but shite at general (all private schools are selective)
and vice versa

Private schools are not the cause, they are the symptom

why should a training bursary restrict teachers to working a period of time in the state sector? children in private education are as much members of our society as anyone else, they still go to school in our country, they simply cost the government no money from the education budget while at school! I have never understood the chip on the shoulder attitude about private education - so some parents decide to pay extra out of post-tax income because they value a different approach to education and therefore they shouldn't be allowed teachers who have 'trained' with a government bursary - bizarre!

If there are issues in the state sector meaning that staff retention is challenging then sort out the state sector, don't penalise the private sector just because it is doing something right - there are plenty of schools in both sectors getting it right, and getting it wrong...

HoldMe from what I understand from teachers working in the independent sector it is not devoid of "red tape" or paper work, I believe many preps do SATS and most are inspected by an Independent organisation be it ofstead or the ISI. Changes in A levels will affect you regardless of what sector your work in unless your doing the IB/Pre U.
I've worked with teachers who've actually gone back to the state sector some report being bored and unchallenged in the independent sector once the novelty of well behaved motivated children has worn off. I think this idea that all independent schools are stuffed with model pupils is not really correct, my DH went to a very well known super selective boys school he said poor teachers had a terrible time, the boys showed them little or no respect, behaved badly in class ridiculed them constantly and he said two had "breakdowns. I suspect this is more common than we imagine.

philodox yes but not past that. Recent proposals have said five or ten years.

I went to selective private school
we were bitches
one of my teachers was a paedo
the others I pity

please NEVER assume that bad behaviour is only in State

Mander Portman / Collingham would have gone bust long ago if that was the case

Teachers in private sector often work very long hours. Was chatting to one who is leaving the UK to teach abroad where an 83 hour week is not expected.

At my dd private school teachers aren't expected to do anything else other than teach.
There are tutors and specialist activity organisers who come in for the extra curricular activities.
Parents pay for the specialist of which the specialist class teacher may have no experience in the subject on offer.
Teachers are more respected and supported by students and parents.
we have found that dd teachers are far less stressed even though they have had recent inspections dropped on them.
There seems to be a huge benefit in allowing teachers, to teach.

My friend was an NQT and moved state to private.

The issue was the kids' behaviour, not money or elitism or anything like that.

I wouldn't be so sure that those teachers moved purely for financial reasons.