Theresa May to end ban on grammar schools part 2

[noblegiraffe]

Continuation of the first thread from here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/education/2702565-Theresa-May-to-end-ban-on-grammar-schools

I don't know- I don't think I use working class except in quotations.

I use privilege. Or advantaged/disadvantaged.

I saw a blog discussing who would be poor enough and bright enough to qualify for the grammar school leg-up.

"Poverty is not a binary but getting into a grammar school is. Poorer pupils perform worse at every point in the income distribution so any cut off point for eligibility for a school for the bright-but-poor would be arbitrary.
Furthermore, such a policy would cause no end of perverse incentives. How long do you have to be poor to be eligible? Might it be worth taking an income cut for a while to qualify? And what happens if you stop (or start) being poor half way through secondary school?"

www.lkmco.org/grammar-schools-bright-poor-wouldnt-help-either

Lurked- if your dad was genuinely at a school where As at GCSE are impossible that is a crap school and nothing to do with the selection debate.

The alternatives are not crap school or grammar school, however some people try to characterize it that way.

Did you see my handy shorthand guide to picking 11+ passers on the first day of reception?

www.abc1demographic.co.uk/

This takes you to the standard newspaper definition of the ABC1 C2DE classifications.

This shows approximately what % of the population are in each class.
www.ukgeographics.co.uk/blog/social-grade-a-b-c1-c2-d-e

Trying to find a third quite useful socio-economic classification that I saw from an advertising agency which was more psychographic than demographic.

www.examstutor.com/business/resources/studyroom/marketing/market_analysis/8_psychographic_segmentation.php

2striped, go back up the thread one page for bert's handy spotter for the likely 11+ candidates.

Sunday, 16.22.

This is fascinating, and correlates Bert's observations.

In a mc postcode the choice isn't crap school or grammar, I agree. I also agree it needn't be that way in area. But in reality it is. You can't get any grade in a subject not offered, but even in those that are, it's not the grade that is the issue for children like mine. It's the far reaching consequences of never ever having to try. And as I said, it isn't just about a minority of kids like mine who will get the grade no matter what. It's those children that could have been a*/a/ b but instead get a/b/c. And the lack of aspiration and career advice that goes hand in hand with crap schools.

2striped, the whole point of groups is that they are generalised from numerous participants! That you don't see your situation precisely reflected is perhaps because you are determined to personalise the debate.
They are rough and ready approximations designed for newspapers to pigeon hole their readers so advertisers could gauge how likely they were to reach a target audience.

If Mr2stripes has achieved a professional qualification but prefers not to climb the career ladder, he remains a professional based on his education and/or field of endeavour. A doctor volunteering for Medecins sans Frontiers retains his socio-economic rating, even if unwaged, surely?

Lurked- if you want to start a thread about crap schools then why not do it? This one is about the reintroduction of selective schools.
And I have to say that I don't buy the "never having to try" line. You want good grades? Then you have to put a bit of effort in. Kids tend not to get As at my ds's school because there Is a very small higher ability cohort. He wants As? Then he needs to put his well supported privileged back into it.

"But that basically says they're doomed by age 3 so doesn't matter if they go to grammar or not"

No if doesn't. It means that the selective system is so unfair and skewed towards those who are already privileged that you can pick the passers and failers at 5.

"said doctor was unemployed for a couple of months during which his kids received pupil premium? What is he then and are his kids disadvantaged?"
I wonder how long it will be before accountants are advising exactly that.....,,.,