Baseline needed- what can your seven year old boy write please?

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Trying to establish a baseline for my son, who is 7 on Sunday.

He ahs SN (ASD) but is very high functioning with a speech age of 10 - 11

Yet he can't write, last night his page of writing on what he did with the class bear was meant to say 'Bear helped my daddy then read books with Mummy' which is ahrdly a apfge anyway, he managed brestbern brest bar

School says is OK, I am panicking

We've had issues before, but he isn't catching up

So p[lease what is within the normal range?

DS is just 7, no SN, about averge ability in his class. He could write the sentence but it would be almost illegible to read and contain at least one spelling mistake.

ds is 7 - in year two. Has been writing since 5, developing slowly but now writes in sentences, he is doing well in his class but most of them seem to be expected to write sentences as part of the daily lessons.

sorry if this is not what you want to hear - but wanted to be honest.

My ds is 7, in Y3. He can write a reasonably intelligible paragraph, eg. a thankyou letter, but there will be mis-spellings and some iffy punctuation.

He's considered good in literacy, but not at the top of the class.

Oh there's no wanted to hear- I cam to terms with both Sam's SN and his Gifts ages ago, its more about knowing where to keep pushing school, iyswim.

My 5 year old can deffo write better.

My 7 year old DD (who has just been placed on SEN register) would be able to write that sentence without support.
The school should be offering some intervention and reviewing progress made. If its not working, they need to use other methods.

Sorry, peachy, you asked, though...

FWIW there are other children in ds's Y3 class whose writing is pretty rudimentary, closer to what you describe. So I doubt your ds's writing ability per se is that unusual, but most of the children who are writing like this will be functioning at lowish level all roung, eg. not v. articulate.

Writing is often out of synch though in individual children, esp boys.

No really frogs its OK LOL!

Seriously it is.

Thank you for your honest answer.

Sam's rough IQ btw at his last assessment was 130, and the tests all came out with things like 95th centile. Which is why it concerns me. If Sam functioned (like my youngest does, who is 3) way below his level all round that's be OK too; I just think Sam is capable of more life chances wise, iyswim.

My son is 7, a bit older than yours, he turned 7 in July. He also has autism and is high functioning. He's struggling a bit with reading and writing. His writing is a bit sloppy and he can only really write very short sentences of about 5 words. Reading is quite slow although he does remember words quite well. He's been struggling in maths as well and was behind for about a year but suddenly seemed to improve. I think a lot of ASD children can seem to go nowhere for months and then take a big leap forward almost like they need all the bits to a jigsaw puzzle. Your son is still quite young so I'd really not worry and just make sure obviously he's getting plenty of support at school.

Peachy
I am a little confused. Was he to copy your sentence or was it HIs sentence, written independently as he read to you?
I would want to know
Does he have his initial sounds
What PIPs stage is he at ( and is that comparable with the range within the class?)
Tell me about his reading..?
I haven't searched but am assuming that he is within a mainstream school? how much support if any does he get?

That's the thing though, he gets zilch support and won't either, hsi statement answer is due any day now but the reality is that we know the answer, our LEA currenlt being investigated for their SEN procedures. DS3 can't even get a speech assessment yet he's got ooh, 10 words and starts school September! But school won't refer and GP won't until he's been seen by apeds, ooh 8 months time.

But no, this wasn't that sort of thread sorry.

Sam can't read much, but that seems to be confidence over else; if he plugs at it he can really. IYSWIM.

I just wanted ideas of norms to give to teacher when see her next, Sam doesn't even have an IEP 9has full DX) atm.

Ok in terms of ammo to talk to the class teacher

Ask her about his progress from baseline profile- has he covered the expected steps? What is she predicting for him at the end of Year 2 ie L1/2/2a etc. That will give you a way of higlighting if his progress matches expectations.
Where are his biggest difficulties and strengths?

As I said previously I would expect her to be very clear about his basic reading strategies ie does he have phonics to help him.. if not what are the school doing about it( particularly in the light of the Rose Report)
Have they got small steps of prgress marked out for him . Will they offer him ELS support?

I had a lot of problems writing at school. My writing was dreadful. Only when I was 15 and learned to touch type were things easier. My son typed his A levels. I think some of us just have trouble with the process of forming the letters ont he page. I can barely write shopping lists now. I never write. One of my twins writes fine (they just turned 8) but the other takes ages to write one sentence. It's like drawing blood out of a stone. Some of them just develop at different ages.

ds1 is 13 and still has awful trouble with handwritten work - his spelling age is around 10 yrs. Yet he's very bright at Maths, Science, Tech etc. We're getting him to learn to touch type - his spelling improves dramatically when he types, just like Xenia. (Hey, Xenia - I'm agreeing with you again!!)

My DS is also 7 and writes as well as DD who is 4 yrs older. Able to write a story and few, if any, spelling mistakes. Teachers (et moi) very very proud

My ds - I am 90% sure - would have written it as "Bar helpt my daddy then red books wit mummy" - words would be just about legible - although I expect there would be little space between words. He will be 7 in January and is in P3 which I think is Scottish equivalent of Year 2.

Barney/Marvin Bear diary is rather a good baseline check all round. When ds (year 2, 7.5 plus now) brought it home, already dogeared with entries, it ranged from two sentences along the lines of "we et piza nd went woc" to a detailed page of "I went to watch X play tennis and then we had supper and I helped X with his homework ..." etc.

The norm - this is what you want! - was about half a page of "we brushed are teeths" type writing.

Ds's contribution (can't remember the spelling errors, but definitely were some) was to recite that it was "X's Mummy and dad's anniversary and one of his dad's presents was CHOCOLATE CIGARS. I wanted some but X said they might have alcohol in them and I know that's very bad for me."

oops sorry ds is in year 3, not year 2