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Children who fail English or Maths in Y6 will be forced to resit their SATs

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noblegiraffe · 07/04/2015 22:53

....under a Tory government, from 2016.

The reason they will be forced to resit their SATs in Y7 is to avoid dragging down the bright kids who are forced to share a classroom with them.

Secondary schools who don't manage to get 80% of these failures to pass by the end of Y7 will face government intervention.

WTAF.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/11521061/Children-who-fail-English-and-maths-exams-must-take-re-sits-Tories-say.html

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Sirzy · 07/04/2015 22:57

Unbelievable. For some children their "fail" will have taken a massive amount of effort to achieve. We shouldn't be labelling 11 year olds as failures.

Sats are bad enough as it is without this rubbish!

BiscuitMillionaire · 07/04/2015 23:00

[palm-forehead]

actually btw, it says 'may' face government intervention.

Maria33 · 07/04/2015 23:04

Those bastard 10 year olds who can't read it add up. How very dare they? Shock

Maria33 · 07/04/2015 23:05

Or add up. I meant or. Please don't make me retake Blush

noblegiraffe · 07/04/2015 23:07

Sorry, you're right, the schools 'may' face government intervention.

Unlike the poor underachieving kids who definitely will face intervention. And booster classes and Easter revision sessions and after school and lunchtime catch-up.

Way to ease their transition into secondary school. Perhaps we could make them wear a badge too, to identify them even more easily as failures to their new classmates.

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noblegiraffe · 07/04/2015 23:09

What I can't believe is that they actually said it was to stop the underachievers dragging down the bright kids.

I guess they know who their voters are.

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Bonsoir · 07/04/2015 23:11

This sounds like a really good idea to me.

Maria33 · 07/04/2015 23:14

Anyone who legislates for secondary state schools needs to actually spend time in a secondary classroom, meet these kids who 'fail' and begin to understand why.

This is headline grabbing nonsense. Shame we can't send the kids who 'fail' down a coal seam anymore. The kids who need protecting are not usually the ones who pass god help them

Bonsoir · 07/04/2015 23:17

Most DC who don't meet targets could benefit from more tuition/practice and a second chance, not psychoanalysis of the reasons why.

noblegiraffe · 07/04/2015 23:20

Bonsoir, the target is plucked out of thin air, and SATs are a league table measure of accountability for primary schools. Changing them to a pass/fail high-stakes exams for 11 year olds has huge implications. Not least for the mental health of the kids who take them.

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Springisontheway · 07/04/2015 23:22

I thought this was the last year of SATs, and that they were doing away with National Curriculm levels. How can children resit tests that no longer exist?

HairyMcMary · 07/04/2015 23:22

Children with L3 SATS don't share classrooms with L5 children anyway. So that is total bollocks.

But Cameron hasn't actually become a comp-parent yet and probably doesn't know about setting in secondary schools.

And what is 'fail' in SATS? Below a L4? Which is set to represent the achievement of an average child? So many will be below an average...

I agree that children should not be allowed to under achieve and if they are able they should be supported to be literate and numerate. Bit it needs to start earlier, and tests isn't the way to do it.

Why doesn't someone ask teachers how they would like to boost literacy and numeracy before they even get to SATS and secondary? And ask secondary teachers how to engage Yr 7s ion ongoing learning?

TheRealMaryMillington · 07/04/2015 23:23

I have more of an issue with the language of this than with the idea of ensuring those who are not achieving what they should be capable of are given the additional support and a second opportunity to do so.

(and I am absolutely not one of their voters)

Maria33 · 07/04/2015 23:23

It might be a good idea for some kids bonsoir and I do agree that kids who 'fail' their KS2 should have extra support. But the punitive tone with its focus on protecting the more able cohort is pretty offensive.

Also kids who underachieve so drastically at primary level usually have some quite complex barriers to learning and just making them sit a test twice more in year 7 will do little to help that. It's a massive oversimplification.

Moreover, punishing schools because these children under-perform is simply more of the paternalistic bullshit that means it's hard to retain good teachers.

Hey - hopefully I'm wrong and all kids will now be fully literate and numerate by year 8...

Bonsoir · 07/04/2015 23:24

SATS are not becoming high stakes exams - there are precisely no stakes involved since DC who do not meet targets in Year 6 will proceed to Year 7 as normal.

Donki · 07/04/2015 23:26

Dear God!
He'll be making students repeat the year next!

(Strategy shown not to work before someone says 'what a good idea')

Bonsoir · 07/04/2015 23:28

Identifying low attainment and giving DC extra resources and time to master the basics is hardly cruel...

EvilTwins · 07/04/2015 23:31

FFS. What about those poor children who, for a great many very valid reasons, will never reach those standards?

Are we returning to Gove's assertion that everyone should be above average?

Thatssofunny · 07/04/2015 23:34

What happens if they still don't pass after their extra two attempts? Do they get to go to special school?...Hang on, they'd actually have to make places available at them. Hmm
DH teaches children with SEN. He was so chuffed and excited when some of them managed to get a Level 3 in their SATs last year. They had worked so hard (as had he and anyone else involved in teaching this little group).

It's got nothing to do with standards or rigour or discipline. Some of the stuff KS2 children need to know for these test, most adults in this country have no clue about. (I actually doubt that David Cameron or his clever advisers would be able to answer all of the questions correctly, particularly for the SPaG paper. It's obsolete knowledge...unless the majority of my class have the ambition to follow in my footsteps and do a degree in linguistics, which I doubt.) All it will achieve is that more primary schools teach to the tests in Year 6. For those children, who struggle, Year 7 will then continue to be a string of interventions, removed from their peer group and the chance of actually getting settled.

Most secondary schools set for core subjects, so there isn't an issue of the clever children being "dragged down" by the less able. They don't drag anyone down in my mixed-ability class, either. I teach to the top and then we break things down for anyone, who doesn't get it. My most able make accelerated progress,...so do my least able. It's my lower middle, who I need to keep an eye on. Hmm

Cherrypi · 07/04/2015 23:36

It's a continuing hate campaign against maths. Two years of test drilling will completely destroy any chance of passion for the subject. How long till all year sevens have to retake it to check progress?

Bonsoir · 07/04/2015 23:38

I disagree that the SPAG paper is obsolete knowledge. It is very basic - in particular the grammar, which DC in any continental European system would have mastered well before Y6. Without knowledge of grammar it is impossible to learn a foreign language. Which might explain something...

AtomicDog · 07/04/2015 23:43

So let me get this straight... if a child goes to a Primary school that doesn't get them to L4 by end of Y6, the receiving secondary school has to get them to L4 within six months or there'll be trouble ?

No matter what level they arrive at? with £500?
Hmm

AtomicDog · 07/04/2015 23:46

Or (as this will actually be under all new End of KS2) will they have to get to 100? i.e. all children have to reach the mean level of achievement for their cohort?

Hmm Hmm

ouryve · 07/04/2015 23:48

DS2 will probably be resitting for the rest of his life then.

What bollocks.

noblegiraffe · 07/04/2015 23:51

Don't they remember why the KS3 SATs were scrapped? The marking fiasco? With two chances to resit, these exams would undoubtedly have to be internally marked. So level 4s for all no doubt.

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