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Jolly Phonics - am I too late?

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mollymay · 25/10/2006 22:28

My dd is in Y1 and plodding along with ORT stage 4 quite nicely but I was recently recommended jolly phonics as a learning tool in learning to read. My dd is a really eager student at the moment and I wondered whether it would be worthwhile introducing JP at this stage? I have read other threads and it looks like CATFLAP is a bit of an expert on this one!!

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LadyMuck · 25/10/2006 22:30

I think that JP is quite good at some of the vowel sounds - I would assume that she knows some basic phonics if she is at stage 4, but wonder what she has been taught in terms of decoding "ai", "oa", "ie" etc?

badkarma · 25/10/2006 22:36

My dd is learning JP at the mo and we love it!!! If she is struggling with a letter it's lovely to see her sit and do the action she has been taught and in a split second know the letter she is looking for! Her teacher can't recommend it enough!

mollymay · 25/10/2006 22:38

I don't think she has been taught how to decode the sounds you mention. That's why I thought JP might be a useful way of tackling these.

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catflap · 26/10/2006 16:21

hiya!

Jolly Phonics is FAB and you are certainly not too late.

Oxford Reading Tree is a scheme based on whole word learning and guessing words from pictures and context - they don't even mind in the early stages if words are read inaccuately; as long as a good story is there. So there are plenty of words that could be read from talking about the pictures and from guessing and the hope is with enough repetition, a few words might be 'learnt' whilst phonics is being taught very slowly and having little to do with reading... - I'm not just slagging it off, by the way - the handbook and info on the web site acknowledges this as the philosophy behind the scheme.

Our language IS a phonetic one; that is, the individual speech sounds in our words (40+ of them) are represented in our writing by our 26 letters alone and in various combinations.

In order to fully master our alphabetic code and begin to work out unknown words for yourself, you need to learn how these sounds and letters work and how to recognise them in words and blend them all together to read the word.

Jolly Phonics teaches this.

By Stage 5, ORT becomes suprisingly decodable, and once children have learnt all the basic spellings for the 40 sounds, and a few alternatives, they can happily start sounding out the Stage 5 stories. In my Reception classes, the able readers, about half the class, could read these books by the summer term and were often at stages 8-10 by halfway through year 1.

Teaching reading through a scheme like ORT is only really delaying the reading process and teaching many damaging strategies along the way. Many kids learn to read seccessfully anyway, despite this, as they have the ability to work out the phonics for themselves with little effort. But it is not like this for all children. Also, the memorising and guessing means lots of children appear to be reading successfully for a long time before their memories fail, the damaging strategies do not support their efforts and they don't have enough phonic knowledge to really work the words out.

Go for it with the JP - there is nothing to lose, and will help make sense of her ORT books, although she may be intrigued about more complex sound/letter combinations in those books than she has learnt so far in JP, as they do use words like 'guitar' (where 'drum' would be great!) and 'chicken' (where 'hen' would be easier for independent reading!)

Good luck, have fun - the minimum you need is the handbook and some Jolly Readers to give her decodable reading material to practise her skills.

mascaraohara · 26/10/2006 16:26

Can I just add (and I'm no expert) that my dd did Letterland in nursery and enjoyed it.. when starting school that told me they did Jolly Phonice (I started a thread as I was slightly worried about transition)

ANYWAY

DD was never interested in reading/writing BUT since starting school in September (she's 4) AND starting jollyphonics - she loves it!! she can write and spell her name and we have started spelling (at home) simple words like 'cat' 'hat' 'cow' 'hot' 'to' etc

I can not get over the change in her and it's lovely to see her enthusiasm - I am in love with Jolly Phonics!

Pinotmum · 26/10/2006 16:26

Dd got a good grounding in JP in her Nursery Class and now in Yr 1 is a very good reader - she decodes without any problem and is stage 9 ORT. Ds is now in the Nursery class and I love to see him do all the actions. He has just turned 4 and can read simple 3 letter words e.g cat, mum, dad, dog, fox, bad, got etc. I can't rate it highly enough really

HallgerdaLongcloak · 26/10/2006 17:31

My younger children's primary school is doing Jolly Phonics work with struggling Year 5s, so I wouldn't have thought Year 1 was too old. If you think that your daughter would benefit and doesn't know all the sounds already, go for it.

JoPG · 26/10/2006 17:56

DS's school follows the Jolly Phonics program and it has been brilliant. By the end of reception he was at stage 5 ORT, and in year one is now at stage 8 ORT. He decodes unknown words using the 'building blocks' that he was taught in Jolly Phonics and can work out lots of words that he has not seen before.

willowcatkin · 26/10/2006 20:28

I would echo what others have said - it is not too late to learn Jolly Phonics in Year 1 - if she has not done phonics she will need it at some point so the sooner the better

My dd is in Yr 1 and reading well, and my ds has just started Reception. He picked up reading from watching dd last year ( he was just 3) and now reads very well. I too cannot recommend phonics highly enough and the JP handbooks is so simple anyone can use it. Once you have done that you can progress onto Jolly Grammar.

Good luck

worcestercaroline · 26/10/2006 21:02

Jolly phonics do a really nice cd can be bought from ELC with different songs to help children remember. I printed off a load of giant letters and showed children letters whilst we sang the song, once initial sounds learnt we then used the giant letters to make up words.would then play songs and children would write on white boards what the letter was that went with the song. we then put objects on letters c - cat, cap, m- mat, map, mop and children spelt the objects on the letters on sheets of paper or white board. the children thought it was great fun

mollymay · 26/10/2006 22:25

thanks everyone....

What handbook are you referring to catflap?

Do you think I need to start from the very beginning i.e. 's' and 'a' etc.?

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willowcatkin · 26/10/2006 23:09

Jolly Phonics handbook

mollymay · 26/10/2006 23:40

thanks willowcatkin...its even cheaper at tesco.com!

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