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Gove and all these Ofsted troubles.

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HappydaysArehere · 09/06/2014 19:16

What is going on? What a mess! Free schools - Gove's ideas on education. Now all these charges of extreme radicalism. Any thoughts?

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PastSellByDate · 12/06/2014 14:01

Bamboo:

Yes it is very easy to say to someone - if you don't like the school change it. I've had years of it here on MN Bamboo - so don't feel you're alone in thinking it...

But in fact although there are several GOOD/ Outstanding schools in the area they were full (we did try to move locally in Y3) - so the only option was moving.

Moving was delayed because we were facing major work instability for 2 years (Year 4 - 5 for DD1) & knew a storm was brewing in Year 3. Given serious job threat - no bank would give us a mortgage - that simple.

Work situation is now resolved happily & we have moved (largely to secure a good school option for DD1 for secondary - which in my opinion is more crucial - as I can help with primary skills at home easily but would struggle with Chemistry/ Physics experiments at home).

We have been fortunate and were able to transfer DD2 to a different primary. She's very happily settling in to the new school and we are increasingly aware that we absolutely made the right decision on every possible level: social/ emotional/ educational

kesstrel · 12/06/2014 14:16

Rabbit: the movement for phonics in the UK was essentially a grassroots one, starting with the teacher who came up with Jolly Phonics in the 80s. There was also Ruth Miskin who was then headteacher at a school in Tower Hamlets. These teachers (and a number of others) were unhappy with how many children were leaving their schools unable to read, and started reading the research, by reading psychologists, which by that time had pretty comprehensively destroyed the theoretical underpinnings of Whole Language, while indicating that phonics was probably superior to look and say. (It's important to understand that there's a difference between reading specialists in university departments of psychology, where much of this research was done, and reading specialists in departments of education, where Whole Language still mostly ruled.)

Some of these teachers got together with other supporters and established the Reading Reform Foundation, wrote newsletters, set up a website, and generally campaigned for the use of phonics. At the same time, there was a great deal of research going on in the US (where a lot more funding was available). By 2000, the research was so solid that a handful of politicians were willing to be persuaded by the arguments of these campaigning teachers. I believe David Blunkett wanted to introduce phonics in the Literacy Strategy of 1997, but eventually decided there would be too much opposition from teachers, academics and teaching unions. By 2007, 10 years later, as the research continued to pile up, the climate of opinion had shifted sufficiently to allow the government to attempt to implement the Rose Report, although with patchy results. Part of the reason for this was attrition: the most dogmatic opponents of phonics were gradually retiring, and being replaced by younger people with more open minds (have you heard the rather morbid saying, "science advances one funeral at a time"?

rabbitstew · 12/06/2014 14:34

Which, in conclusion, kesstrel, shows that nobody really understands how all children learn, yet, particularly not when departments of psychology and education are apparently not intelligent enough to share relevant research and need frustrated teachers to do it for them. I see the same problem between the medical profession, teaching profession, psychologists, physiotherapists and occupational therapists in the community - none of these services seem to understand each other particularly well, which is quite irritating if you have a child being dealt with by all of them. The most ludicrous assumptions and beliefs seem to build up and all are as guilty as each other of these - they seem to lack genuine interest in fitting it all together, being too busy ploughing their own little furrow and blaming everyone else for not following along with it. I'm not sure how government changes are helping with this, that's the problem - so far they just seem to be causing disarray, rather than joined up thinking.

rabbitstew · 12/06/2014 14:35

Add speech therapists to that, too...

kesstrel · 12/06/2014 16:17

There's a really interesting book about exactly what you describe, Rabbit, called "Mistakes were made but not by me"

www.amazon.co.uk/Mistakes-Were-Made-but-Not/dp/1780660359/ref=sr_1_fkmr2_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1402585567&sr=1-1-fkmr2&keywords=carol+travis+mistakes

The authors look at research into how professionals in all fields tend to seriously overestimate the accuracy of their own professional judgment, and why they are so resistant to any evidence that their professional opinions could be wrong. Unfortunately, education has an additional problem in that many of its dominant professional beliefs have been driven by ideology: ideas such as that directly teaching kids stuff rather than letting them discover it is "authoritarian". That makes the whole issue into a moral, rather than a practical one, which fuels people's resistance to evidence even more.

So when you say "particularly not when departments of psychology and education are apparently not intelligent enough to share relevant research " - I'm afraid that's not really what's been going on. It's more of a case of the education academics simply refusing to believe the psychologists. This is where accusations of "scientism" come in, or claims that postmodernism shows it's impossible for research to demonstrate anything, along with a lot of half truths and misrepresentation of the research.

rabbitstew · 12/06/2014 16:39

That is interesting, kesstrel. Thanks for the info.

Esker · 13/06/2014 17:07

Fascinating (and alarming) thread. I'm a trainee secondary English teacher, currently on placement in another secondary as part of my training, so doing lots of observation. Am in central London state school so very diverse intake, most from very disadvantaged backgrounds.

This school (unlike mine) specifically has a catch up phonics programme for kids who enter yr 7 on level 1s an 2s. I was asking about it and assuming that kids in this programme would be kids who have only arrived in the country in the past couple of years, and understandably behind. But no, it turns out that many have been educated in London their whole lives.

So Kesstrel, what you said about that culture of 'they'll learn when they're ready' and 'pass them on to the next year group' seems to be at work here Hmm

kesstrel · 14/06/2014 14:25

That's very interesting, Esker, thanks. As a trainee English teacher, you might be interested in some really good blogs by English teachers, with links to others (if you haven't already seen them:

www.learningspy.co.uk/

pragmaticreform.wordpress.com/2014/04/20/guide/

Esker · 15/06/2014 23:08

Thanks Kesstrel - really interesting sites. I'm really interested in how to maximise the effectiveness of marking - and there seems to be lots of interesting stuff about that!

I also like the look of 'Mistakes Were Made, But Not by Me' (although I'm always a sucker for a catchy title!)

Belswim · 16/06/2014 11:24

I worry that schools are having to shoulder too much responsibility themselves, without centralised service they have have to maintain their own networks and sometimes it seems to just get pushed down the list with everything else they have to deal with.

The balance certainly isn't right yet!

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