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Bulge class worry, how do I question it re siblings?

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wormshuffled · 08/06/2014 08:45

Our village school is putting on a bulge class for the next school year, an extra 18 children, the oversubscribed children all come from the next town. They say the LEA has said there will be no request for this to be repeated during the 7 school years these bulge kids are there.
My child should be due to attend 2 years later in 2016, so naturally I am worried about the effect this bulge class will have on him getting a place, we don't have a sibling. I've already done a headcount of buggies at the school gate containing kids that look ds's age and there's 12 plus those I don't know about And 52 children starting September 14....the usual PAN is 34.
Who do I approach to question if this has been anticipated? LEA? Parish council? School head? District councilor?
Or do I just have to suck it up and drive at least 3 miles to get him to school driving straight past our lovely village school in the process?
Many thanks!

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TeenAndTween · 08/06/2014 11:20

Is the next town 'in catchment'?

Do they give higher priority to 'out of catchment siblings' or 'in catchment no sibling'?

In our area out of catchment siblings come behind all in catchment children so you would be OK, but some areas have it the other way around, which would be a concern.

wormshuffled · 08/06/2014 11:36

Not so much a catchment no, just distance from school. No priority given to children within catchment . Order goes...... social services type referrals , siblings, regular church goers, everybody else measured in distance to school as crow flies.

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TeenAndTween · 08/06/2014 11:52

oh. That's a problem then ....
No idea who you should raise it with. But there is time to get it changed if there is a will to I think.

I think village children should come above town children with siblings.
(Though I can see that parents being forced to use your school from the town might disagree.)

Ladymuck · 08/06/2014 13:16

Worth questioning it. Where I live we have had loads of bulge classes and it creates a real issue with a glut of siblings in later years who then push out local first borns.

tiggytape · 08/06/2014 13:20

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wormshuffled · 08/06/2014 14:00

My feeling is that they are all first choice applicants though because they largely come from a brand new estate, of high value houses, who's nearest school is on a council estate. The school they are closest to is not oversubscribed. They won't have even listed is as a preference as they don't want that school.......neither would I TBH, I can totally see why they have chosen our village school, its an excellent school! just not at my sons expense!

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wormshuffled · 08/06/2014 14:03

Also, would it be fair to change the sibling rules now that these kids have a place? They likely wouldn't have applied if it wasn't guaranteed their siblings would get a place. I know its ages away but its on my mind...... I mean counting the buggy's at home time is a bit demented isn't it...Hmm Hmm

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tiggytape · 08/06/2014 14:58

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roamer2 · 08/06/2014 21:55

In our area I think distance to school takes precedence over siblings - some older siblings moved to our school because their younger sibling did not get a place at their original school. So if you live closer to the school than this new estate is you should be OK. You need to check admission rules which are normally available on the school website

clam · 08/06/2014 22:03

What happens in your area roamer does not mean that the OP "should be OK." It varies from LA to LA, so she has to check the rules for her area. And, as others have said, they could change anyway, between now and then.

PhoebeMcPeePee · 08/06/2014 22:06

Tiggytape our primary created a bulge class after a parent successfully argued a case for extra places when children living in the village didn't get a place due to high sibling numbers despite the neighbour school being undersubscribed. No great surprise, that bulge class resulted in a need for further bulge classes down the line & the school is now bursting at the seams Confused

bucketofbathtoys · 08/06/2014 23:02

I have never heard of a bulge class being added if any other school had spaces within a reasonable distance. Bulge classes do create a silly number of siblings, typically 2 years later, but can be longer until all siblings are through reception. Our school had one a while back and then locals couldn't get in

wormshuffled · 09/06/2014 06:58

Thanks for your reply, there is no split in the rules for siblings at the moment, and I wouldn't feel comfortable campaigning to get this changed, I know people who would be affected and would end up being lynched! As for if there are places left at surrounding schools I'll ask the LEA for the list.
The poster above this ( sorry I'm on the app so can't now name check) has confined now I am right to be worrying about this.
If anyone is able to give advise on who I am best raising my concern with I'd be very greatful.

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bucketofbathtoys · 09/06/2014 07:40

I would get all the details off the LEA then work out what the true situation is. I would also look up what provisions they have made for the next few years. In our LEA there was a detailed planning document that listed where they were planning to create extra places etc for the proposed increases in children

wormshuffled · 09/06/2014 11:49

Right well I've heard back from the LEA there are 14 places at town council estate school, and 5 in nearby villages. So enough just about to accommodate the 18 bulge class they have added to my village school. I will do as above poster suggested and see if they have dine forward planning yet for this instance, if that is possible. Many thanks

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ladybirdandsnails · 09/06/2014 16:02

That's highly unusual that they have put a bulge class in a village school when there are places available elsewhere. In out LEA they just offer people whatever school is left with spaces. They have no obligation to offer you your 'preferences'. Its almost impossible to predict the sibling number as many don't show their face until reception. My DC went to a nursery no where near school. Lots of people don't realize that my DC1 has a sibling as they don't see them at the school gate as I work and drop off before school breakfast club etc. What is likely though is that the extra 18 children will have several siblings. If they are all first borns then possible half with have a sibling following them in 2 school years???
I would query it - put a freedom of information request in if need be

wormshuffled · 09/06/2014 16:51

Query it to the LEA? or the school, this is excellent info thank you!

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TAMumof3 · 09/06/2014 21:25

LEA do not have to instigate school accepting children above the PAN - PAN is guidence only, school can choose to exceed PAN.
Our village schools exceed PAn, thus creating bulge classes, in years where numbers of applicants are high. lea will looking at the funding of the school as a whole, often you'll find tierd schools with larger numbers of children in the early years, a fall in y2 and y3 as children transfer to private.
The theory that no further bulge classes will occur for 7 years is utterly wrong.
If head has taken in 50% above PAN they will be recruiting and planning for the associated space needs of extra children.

SE13Mummy · 09/06/2014 22:03

Have a look at the council minutes online - it may be that the school has been earmarked for expansion, that a federation may be afoot or that something else is in the pipeline that is expected to shift the pressure from the popular village school. You could contact admissions again and ask why a bulge has been created at the village school given the number of available places locally and perhaps get in touch with the director for children's services or your MP if you don't receive any sensible answers.

ladybirdandsnails · 09/06/2014 22:28

This is definately

ladybirdandsnails · 09/06/2014 22:29

Definately one worth pursuing. I would speak to other parents too to raise awareness

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