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DEVON PRIVATE SCHOOLS. Shebbear, West Buckland or Kelly?

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manorhope · 30/05/2014 16:49

If you are moving to the North or West Devon area and considering an independent education for your children, or indeed a rural boarding school, there are three interesting choices in the area, all of which we have visited and sampled.

  1. West Buckland School. Good facilities and results, but we found the place quite harsh, unfriendly and bleak. The children were smart, but rather distant, looking tired and a bit low in spirits.
  2. Kelly College. Majestic buildings on the edge of lovely Tavistock. A feel that the place had seen better days and maybe struggling to maintain numbers. Children looked fairly happy, but a tad untidy. Moderate results, but in all lacking in sparkle.
3.Shebbear College. Out in the sticks, but a real sense that this place is the rising star. Children looked smart, confident and very happy, showing that extra polish you tend to find in more famous establishments. Good results and lovely peaceful campus. Out of the three we thought Shebbear College emerged as comfortably the best school at the present time. We chose it and so far its been fantastic. Further afield is of course Blundell's, which we thought was great, but too far for us. Finally, there's a place in Bideford called Kingsley. Not wanting to be unpleasant, but I really wouldn't bother. Just a few experiences, which I hope may be of interest.
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RabbitOfNegativeEuphoria · 12/09/2014 17:29

sclerdeabbey I honestly don't think anyone on MN either said that or thinks that. What happened was that one poster made some ridiculously inflated claims about it being the best school in the county (by results, not by pastoral care or other considerations), while also making horrible unsupportable statements about the state schools, and that not surprisingly led to a few posters basically saying 'I don't think so' and referencing published league tables. And it sort of escalated. I know people at that school and their parents are perfectly happy with it and they are lovely kids. It remains not the best school by results in the county though. Results of course aren't everything.

sclerderabbey · 12/09/2014 18:16

RNE - I havent mentioned a school, so why do you assume you know which I speak of. Since the school is not mentioned I think your comments are not appropriate.

However, as I have said before any school is only as good as its intake. If aschool is consistently on the receiving end of a poor report from people here, it makes an impact on others like me.

Call me a snob if you like but I do not want my DC in a school ( and certainly one I am paying for) which has a poor rep. I dont care how it may have got that or whether it is justified or not. It becomes a self fulfilling prophesy I suppose as no one wants to go to a school when it has a poor rep. It takes in a smaller number of less able pupils and therefore results go down and so its reputation is reinforcedetc. I have seen this in different schools many times. I think some of the schools named in this thread have also suffered that fate. It is true also of many businesses who do not have good marketing and let things slip toofar. They get a reputation for shoddiness.

Other schools again mentioned, have a similar reputation in their locality and hence they too begin to struggle. They struggle to find DC ( maybe like my own who are not stella performers in a school like Exeter but are in top sets and who are earmarked by the local state school ( where they are currently) to go be university material. One ( currently year 8) has had Oxbridge suggested, although it is a while off.

However I know GCSE and A levels are an important time in a childs life and I want something better. Yes, "good " kids can keep their heads down and be in top setsand do well enough and avoid the challenging pupils and distruption (mostly) but why should they have to? Besides, I do think it will make a difference at the end of the day, no matter what.
There are many things I am looking for in this school I will be paying for.

I have looked at Exeter and its slick, its has good marketing and is impressive but I feel lots of under currents. I worry because I know Anne is correct, that the school employs a policy of segregation, those who are Oxbridge and those who are not and those who are also rans and are not anything. I see a similar thing going on in the grammar schools ( I will not say which). What if my DC does not make it in the cream of Exeter and ends up in the also rans? I do not want a school like that. But I do not want one for the "nice but dim" (I think thats the phrase I see here often) either. The size of a schools SEN dept tells you much.

There are many things to consider when looking at schools, and strangely, the OP hit on one I am finding elusive - "sparkle" ( or polish or panache or style or whatever it is, I know it, but cannot name it).

I want that ease, effortless confidence for my DC which is so lacking in state schools (and some private). I want DC who are similar in aspiration and who have a work ethic too. Again lacking in state schools often.

I would also prefer that school to be local rather than me driving miles in traffic daily or a good bus or train ride away.

A decent school with middle ranking nice well mannered kids and a good discipline. A school which does not adhere to the latesteducastion speak , does not change with the next ministers politcal directive and one which will target getting my DC good GCSE and A level grades regardless of whther they are in the cream stream or the curds and whey stream. A school which is classy rather than brassy and one where the teachers have professional style rather than swagger and brashness. I can find swagger by the bucket full in the state sector. It seems to be asking a lot anywhere in South Devon. I have seen a number up country.

I do not want or need a Harrods of education. But neither doI want Lidl or Aldi or even Tesco. John Lewis would be nice.

RabbitOfNegativeEuphoria · 12/09/2014 18:33

scleder: I havent mentioned a school, so why do you assume you know which I speak of.

Because you gave enough information to make it obvious to anyone who had read the various threads over the years, basically.

AnneDrogyny · 12/09/2014 22:41

I'm de-registering from MN as soon as I post this message.

I'd hoped it would be a forum for frank, honest and helpful chat.

Instead, the trolls and masqueraders just drown out the nice people.

The last straw was when I found myself, this afternoon, trying to think of a witty way to say something nasty about another poster.

I don't remember behaving like that since I was 14. Really, I don't need this.

All the best to the nice posters.

Andrea
xxx

QuinionsRainbow · 13/09/2014 12:46

I am a little confused as on this thread you say you have recently moved to the area yet on another thread dated 3rd May 2014 you say your dd is now leaving Shebbear after 7 happy years.

Nearly three months on, and OP hasn't been back to clarify where she got her Tardis!

duchesse · 13/09/2014 14:09

Meh. My kids are the kind of ones that get mentioned by name in the newpapers on results day yet Colyton turned them down. I suspect that like Oxbridge, Colyton's applicants are all equally bright and suitable to be there but they have to choose the ones they want. We are the typical turned down by grammar but went to the Exeter fee-paying day schools instead family. 2/3 of my older children would have done just fine in any academic environment though. We were uninspired by our very limited choice of possible secondary schools. It hasn't been easy paying fees even at the relatively modest level they are here. However, I feel we have done th best we could for our DC, for the people they are. Had they been a lot more bloody-minded and a notch brighter, they would have been fine at our choice of secondary school as well.

One of the children went to Exeter College, which I think is absolutely super, scruffy teens and all. I love the individuality of those teenagers! I am a huge fan of Ex College although when we arrived in Devon there is no way I would have contemplated it. It has changed beyond measure though.

Bottom line imo is you have the choose the right school for your child, within the limits of your means and logistical possibilities. Not all courses suit all horses.

RabbitOfNegativeEuphoria · 13/09/2014 14:38

Duchesse the 11+ results are anonymous. As you know. They choose the ones who get the highest marks in the test on the day. It's an imperfect system, you will get no argument from me on that score. The private schools can choose the kids they want, and offer financial inducements to the ones they really want (we were approached regarding one DC but decided against) grammar schools have to take the kids who score the highest. Perhaps in some cases the private schools get the better deal. You are absolutely right about Exeter college. Ten years ago it wasn't a hugely attractive proposition, now it is a top destination and I very much hope my DS will manage to get the grade in his non maths subjects that will allow him to go to the maths schools there (his maths is great, much better than his sisters - his English is atrocious though (dyslexic)). Despite that though I still don't look forward to the day I might see him lounging around on Queen street - there is a lot to be said for having your kids at a school far enough away that they can get home at night but there's no danger of running into them unexpectedly during the day!

duchesse · 13/09/2014 14:43

Rabbit, yes and no. CGS had DD1's exercise books in for inspection after the 11+, which seems a trifle unfair on DC who haven't been at especially good primaries (mine were at a very alternative private primary).

sclerderabbey · 13/09/2014 15:22

I am a little confused as on this thread you say you have recently moved to the area yet on another thread dated 3rd May 2014 you say your dd is now leaving Shebbear after 7 happy years

Nearly three months on, and OP hasn't been back to clarify where she got her Tardis!

For goodness sakes QR, does it matter four months and five pages later?
Rest it. The thread moved on.

I am sorry Anne has gone. Too many of these threads end with dominant posters ruling the day and any useful information that may have been found being burried by them under their opinions and prolific posting.

Another chance to get some real information gone.

Let this rest with the other zombies now shall we?

Molio · 13/09/2014 16:47

Anne was a thoroughly dominant poster for the short duration of her contributions. She was also exceptionally offensive. She expressed an unfounded 'concern' about university entry which was worth correcting for those considering grammars for their DC as well as those currently applying to uni from grammars. The grammar she mentioned is of course not the only grammar in the area; there are several nearer the area in the thread title so some people might be alarmed by her declared 'concern'.

I typed too fast in my previous post. I of course should have typed that I was surprised that Anne was concerned that grammar applicants to Oxbridge and other top RG unis are discriminated against.

I'm sorry if the info isn't of interest to you sclerderabbey and you prefer Anne's backing for a single secondary school, but the info (which isn't mere opinion) may be of use to others. I hope so. Always best to squash myths.

sclerderabbey · 13/09/2014 16:51

Well, isnt it strangehow we see things differently Milio?
Of course that is always the case. Those who agree with us we see as reasonable and those who do not we seeas domineering and offensive.

So, what is the truth? ( sorry thats a run across from another thread).

I did not find Anne offensive at all. I have found others a tad irritating and sometimes offensive though. I will not name names itsnot good form, just as we should not name names when bad mouthing schools.

sclerderabbey · 13/09/2014 16:57

I am not bothered about any particular secondary school but I do feelthat these threads, when opinions are allowed to be expressed wartsand all allow a full and frank exchange of views.

I know the score on many Devon schools. I sure know the score on those near me and on the grammar schools here ( and it makes my blood boil when the anally retentive try to be clever and dive Devon , the County into some political constituant parts because of LEA's. At the end of the day, as with many other things, Devon is Devon. The schools , regardless of LEA are not available to all. The alternatives are not as good as sometimes reported.I know my DC is in one such stateschool ( why the hell do you think I am looking for an alternative? You consider me a snob for trying my best for my DC?) We are constrained by where we live and work, unless of course you go private, then you may well be constrained by distance and travel time.

RabbitOfNegativeEuphoria · 13/09/2014 17:54

Duchesse, they don't do that any more, but when they did, they did it for the kids who had just not passed to see if they had underperformed. I agree that it would have been unfair on kids at not so good primary schools (DD2's primary is in special measures) or those with dyspraxia (both my DDs) whose books consequently look terrible. Had your DD achieved the pass mark they wouldn't have looked at her books and they would have had to take her no matter what. I do think it's a fairer method of selection than size of wallet, though.

RabbitOfNegativeEuphoria · 13/09/2014 18:00

I only know the score on schools close to me, primarily the schools my kids or my friends' kids attend. I'm always amazed that people who live maybe 60 miles away from a school reckon they know the score on it. I didn't have a problem with Anne praising Exeter school because I know it's a great school. I did have a problem with her posting incorrect information about the school my daughters attend (and I think I'm the only poster in the last few days who has identified their DC's school) because I know what she was posting was incorrect. As Molio says, given that people are currently making decisions about school choices posting disinformation about a school which properly has no place in a discussion about the schools named in the thread title looks a bit...odd. However I also think that anyone who relies on MN for information without seeking a more reliable source is a bit odd too.

Duchesse - is your DD applying to medical school again this year? I hope she is successful. She certainly deserves to be.

duchesse · 13/09/2014 18:11

Rabbit, no need to reapply, she got in- thank you! She's off next weekend.

sclerderabbey · 13/09/2014 18:25

However I also think that anyone who relies on MN for information without seeking a more reliable source is a bit odd too

Ime there is very little reliable information on any school . The schools themselves play down their failings or hide them - some more successfully than others. Exam results do not tell a full story. Ofsed/ ISI reports may well be misleading ( I cannot be sure about that). If you vsit a school they present their best side with their sales people on the front others are slipshod and have a poor marketing approach , they may well be good schools, how the hell do I know? . Some schools could sell freezers to Eskimos that way others couldnt sell an ice cream in a heat wave.

MN opinions are as useful as anything in that scenario.

cressetmama · 13/09/2014 18:55

If I am one of the posters who has offended on this thread, please allow me to apologise here and now.

Devon is a huge county; second to Yorkshire in square miles I believe, and it has more road miles than any other. It would be impossible for all schools to be accessible to all.

As I said above, per capita spending on education in the maintained sector is also at the bottom of the county league tables. I am not suggesting that money is the only solution in education, but deriving the maximum value for each pound spent does seem to be erratic.

Fee-paying parents have the luxury of the freedom to express opinions on such matters, which is not available to those who, for whatever reason, make the best of their local maintained school. I remain to be convinced that, of the three schools mentioned by the OP, any offer a really attractive educational proposition. We shall review the situation post year 11!

RabbitOfNegativeEuphoria · 14/09/2014 00:53

Duchesse - excellent news. :) very pleased for her and you.

duchesse · 14/09/2014 16:48

Rabbit, I think you know DD, but I don't think we know each other, do we? Unless I'm being really dense!!

RabbitOfNegativeEuphoria · 14/09/2014 17:41

I don't think we do, although we might...I've seen several of your posts on MN over the years though, and I was very impressed with your DD's detemination to do the IB and go to medical school. It's always nice to hear of young people achieving something they have worked very hard for. I know several kids who have done very well at Exeter college and I'm always very pleased to hear of more successes - I also know several members of staff there and I know they do a great job for the kids. I hope that my DS will end up there and achieve whatever his ambitions turn out to be, too.

duchesse · 15/09/2014 01:39

DD's lovely bf is off to Cambridge, from supposedly sh*t N Devon comp + Ex College. It does happen.

sclerderabbey · 15/09/2014 07:38

DD's lovely bf is off to Cambridge, from supposedly sht N Devon comp + Ex College. It does happen*

All that proves is that very able children will be able to do well anywhere and in any environment. ( whether they should have to is another matter). I think we nearly all accept that as a given.That was never the discussion here in the first place

RabbitOfNegativeEuphoria · 15/09/2014 07:54

Not all very able kids will do well everywhere. Some very able kids may have issues (eg SpLDs) which mean that some environments are much better than others (I don't think the dyspraxic DDs would necessarily thrive at the college for example due to its sheer size). Exeter college however, apart from size, isn't 'any environment' (ie one that has to be overcome). It has a specific programme for high achievers and they do very well there.

sclerderabbey · 15/09/2014 08:10

And what about the also rans? The ones who do not get into the schemes?

It seems to me that everyone forgets them. I would prefer a place which tries its best for all its pupils, not just its high achievers or its SEN or some other sepecified group.

I know it is a tall order.

I know several DC who left the school my DC is currently at to go to Exeter College (and a couple who went to Exeter School). What concernes me is that they did not do so well .

But we always over look the "failures" dont we? Or try to find an excuse for it - the teachers, the kids themselves, they made a "mistake" in moving etc. Orthey didnt move and that was the "mistake" It may well be any and all of those things.

Thats why finding the right school is important imo.

duchesse · 15/09/2014 08:27

As my teacher friend pointed out when I was tearing my hair out about DS's inability to achieve to his ability- getting into Oxbridge isn't just about inteligence, it's about getting your act together in time as well. It's the intelligence + maturity + motivation equation that brings the right DC to the right place. If you are in an unmotivating or underperforming environment you have to be so bloody-minded to achieve against the odds that only a very few will make it. Being bright is not enough.

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