High earners to pay for their children state schools

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-25798659

I seriously can't believe some people's opinion of "let them pay for us". They are so lucky they are in a socialist state like Britain. I wonder how they would do in other countries...

The US has no free health care (Obamacare caused a lot of issues as everyone knows). Nothing is really for free (good state schools get thousands, if not millions of parent donations each year - PTA will make that happen whether you want to or not - and are as good, if not better than private schools here). Yet, I have never met as many motivated WC people here as I did there. In fact, one of the most interesting conversations I had on a business trip over ther was with a cab driver!!!

Too much socialism creates a lethargic population. Uou find that a lot in the UK...

snowbells - are you shitting me? if you can't see big headlines like the rise in foodbanks because people can't afford to EAT in the 21st century -I don't know what I can say that would make you see that the poor and disabled are being fucked over

Barbour - your post of 13:03 has two questions, however I don't understand them. what are you asking?

yes because the US works so well

not asking anything...just pointing out pejorative use of language can be used against any class and adds nothing intelligent to the debate

Custardo Do you know how much the free NHS and all the pensioners cost???? Who do you think is paying for all that???

Why is it that I find way more smokers in poorer areas (which is a very big waste of money)?

Of course the US is not ideal... but I don't even see an inch of the work commitment over there here!

what is your point snowbells?

In fact, one of the most interesting conversations I had on a business trip over ther was with a cab driver!!!

A cab driver who might be more educated and intelligent than you'd assumed! Who'd have thought it!

Class, money and intelligence aren't always related by any means. I wish people wouldn't keep confusing "middle income" with "middle class". There are quite a few middle class people who are on a rather low income, and working class people whose income is higher for whatever reason.

well I think you might be looking in all the wrong places. I work with people who have very little money every day. The government is literally starving the poor whilst refusing to collect taxes owed from the rich

I can understand why the rich wouldn't want to pay for state education and believe that everyone is entitled to a good education irrespective of income.
I would like to know though how rich people of fee paying private schools feel about poorer people gaining significant bursaries to attend the same schools as their dc.
It should work both ways to be fair.

barbour , a diversion to the thread but :

The term "politics of envy" is itself very pejorative. I think the viewpoint could be looked on as the politics of fairness.

SnowBells:
Smokers pay a lot of tax. I do note that poor smokers don't draw the state pension for long if at all and it is more likely the retired public-sector professionals who will drain the coffers long-term.

barbour, like your use of wacky? I see

Custardo

Define rich.

Those with 80k household income are not rich and races are taken straight from my salary. We CANNOT PAY MORE TAXES THAN what we pay now.

If you are talking about the super-rich (£10m + in assets)... there's a reason the government don't hunt them down. They are very internationally mobile.

in that case, funnyossity

you wouldn't see nothing with a comment like to make a point:

" the poor are squealing like pigs being gutted when their benefits are cut....it's not fair"

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I think all secondary state school places should be allocated in reverse order of means. So the poorest/most vulnerable get to choose their children's school first, the wealthiest. And as well as income, the authorities need to start taking account of capital.

My children are at state schools which are selective via house price. It shouldn't be allowed.

I would like to know though how rich people of fee paying private schools feel about poorer people gaining significant bursaries to attend the same schools as their dc.

I don't know the answer to that question as I am not rich by any stretch of the imagination, but I do know that a very good independent school quite local to me is very proud of its bursary scheme and the school holds many bursary fundraising events throughout the year and the events are very well supported by the vast majority of parents.

I Can't say it better than this snowbells

perfectstorm Mon 20-Jan-14 13:58:57

"Oh, and as an additional reminder: median salary is £23k, and 90% of the country are on less than £50k. It's not oligarch territory, £80k (largely due to runaway house price inflation) but let's not pretend it's the norm or anything like it, either. I do NOT agree with Seldon: I think basic state provision of services should be available to all, and at a good level, for the sake of everyone. But the pleas of genteel poverty on an £80k wage are pretty insulting to the half the country who have to struggle, God knows how, on that £23k or less. Volunteer in the CAB sometime, and then try telling yourself your finances are a struggle. If you earn rather more than three times the wage the majority are on, you are by definition comfortably off."

Snowbells

80K is very rich and more than 4x our family income.
I'm not suggesting you pay more tax, but lets get it right.
It is a lot of money, its how you choose to spend it that matters.
I have no idea what I would do with that type of money its an obscene amount to us.

some of the professional/middle classes are also mobile and if the pendulum swings too far, some of them, or if not their children, will just seek their fortunes elsewhere where hard work and talent pays.

I think all secondary state school places should be allocated in reverse order of means. So the poorest/most vulnerable get to choose their children's school first, the wealthiest. And as well as income, the authorities need to start taking account of capital.

So if you earn a significant sum of money is it fair that your children have to travel for a couple of hours a day to get to primary school because the places at closer schools are taken up by children with lower earning parents (even if they live further from the schools than the higher earning family)?

morethanpotatoprints

Where do you live?

About 25% of our net income goes straight to the landlord (2-bed flat... not a mansion). Then, there's the commute. We have no choice in the location due to work (DH and I do not work in the same city). Don't even start talking about how much childcare is gonna cost... another 25% of net income.

really more than why is it obscene?

Who do you think is paying much more tax % wise out of income to subsidize others and contributing to the economy and government spend on hospitals and pensions and education and NHS and dare I say it benefits to the poor?

What if you spend many years excelling academically and training and working long hours, delaying children in order to forge a successful professional career...? is a reward for that obscene?

So you would have a person of rare talents like a neurosurgeon be paid the same as a window cleaner because otherwise it's obscene?