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Dd is just 4 (last week) and can read dick all, she starts reception in Sept...

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handlemecarefully · 26/07/2006 21:15

Will she really be reading a bit by the end of Reception? I find it hard to imagine...

She seems like a bright enough girl (enquiring mind, good memory, intelligent questions about the world around her)

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Tommy · 01/08/2006 09:39

was just going to say what frogs said.....
My DS is starting reception in Septemeber and I had a dream that he didn't want to go to school. He was crying and saying "But I can't write...." and I said to him "But that's what you go to school to learn...."
I always have the hugest amount of respect for reception teachers who get a disparit group of children at the beginning of the year whose abilities must be from every stage of the spectrum.
She'll be fine HMC

Mercy · 01/08/2006 09:40

My dd has just finished Reception and it was only during the last half term that she started to read 'properly'. And once they start they can't stop!

lemonstartree · 01/08/2006 09:49

My ds 1 didnt get reading until the end of reception ds2 start sreception in september and cant hold a pencil - that is what school is for!

joelallie · 01/08/2006 15:29

Teachers that I've spoken to have to deal with kids who have no vocab, can't hold a book the right way up, don't know how to use a toilet and can't share. So I definitely wouldn't worry about reading

FioFio · 01/08/2006 15:33

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sleepysooz · 04/08/2006 22:48

You may find that the teacher prefers a blank canvass to work with, my son could hardly write his own name, didn't read a word till the end of the reception year (and that word was 'look') we had such fun after that, so please don't worry or push your child into reading, they learn when they are ready, and boy you'll be so proud when they read their first word.

Chandra · 04/08/2006 23:01

However, if you want to help your child to develop the skills to be more receptive to reading/writing, there is a book of games that specialises in developing hand motor skills, or to distinguish better between the sounds which will help her to learn the letters later.

The games are really good fun and unlikely to bore your child as many of the excersises don't even require the child to draw the letters which could be frustrating for a young child with not so skilled hands.

The book is:
\link:{http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0374522863/026-5061404-2507642?v=glance&n=266239\Games for Learning: Ten Minutes a Day to Help Your Child Do Well in School-From Kindergarten to Third Grade\

Chandra · 04/08/2006 23:01

\link:{http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0374522863/026-5061404-2507642?v=glance&n=266239\Games for Learning: Ten Minutes a Day to Help Your Child Do Well in School-From Kindergarten to Third Grade}

Chandra · 04/08/2006 23:03

alakazoom!

[Now, if that doesn't work....]

Clary · 04/08/2006 23:05

HMC please don't believe people who say their pre-reception child can read.
Most children can read dick all at 4. That's what the teachers are going to do, teach them.
DD whose birthday is end June could read her name last Sept when she started school. And write it - badly.
Now she can read her Biff and Chip books so well and write lots of lovely stuff. In fact her writing exploded into neatness after her first term. Yr DD will do great.
Frogs - a good post as usual.

julienetmum · 04/08/2006 23:12

Dd can read BUT

she will be 5 at the beginning of October so will be one of the oldest in her year

I taught her myself using Jolly Phonics

She took to JP like a duck to water, however her colouring in skills are appalling compared with ner nursery classmates so they are all different.

JanH · 04/08/2006 23:13

LOL at all these kids reading dick all

DD1, April birthday, a lot like yours by your description, also could read dick all in Reception, and she started in the January when she was nearly 5. She had had 4 terms at nursery school but they did v little actual teaching and I certainly didn't try.

She made v slow progress with reading right through reception and Y1 and it suddenly clicked when she was about 6 - by 7 she had a reading age of 10+ and was engrossed in Narnia books. She is still my readingest child, and was the latest to get going by far

julienetmum · 04/08/2006 23:14

To put it in perspective my dd is only 3 months younger that Clary's reception reading dd but she is 10 months older than your dd yet in the same academic year.

JanH · 04/08/2006 23:16

(But have to confess that I was not as casual about it at the time as I sound now - I used to get very stressed about it )

crunchie · 04/08/2006 23:18

Both my dd's started school without being able to read. DD1 is now going into year 3, she finally 'got' reading around christmas last year. DD2 has just had 2 terms of reception and can read some stuff, but v v limited. She can probably read 50 words max (even witha little help)

HTH

Anchovy · 04/08/2006 23:28

Blimey, I'm amazed at the children who can read. DS is just about to go into reception, having been in the nursery of the same school. He also has an October birthday (and 2 Oxbridge educated parents) and it is a well regarded (but non-selective), small private school in the academic cauldron that is SW London. Their SATS result are fantastic. Can he read? Can he buggery! Well, the odd word with a following wind and when he is in the right mood. Can he write? - yes, his name but it is about he easiest one going.

He has just had a fantastic report from nursery which largely concentrated on how he related to his peers and his willingness to learn. And I know for a fact that although they have been Biff and Chipp'ing it for a while none of the others can read either. The school's view is that pre-Reception there are many more interesting things to do - they do know the alphabet and their numbers (mostly) but they also spend an awful lot of time in the school garden with magnifying glasses turning over stones and looking for bugs. Which, in my mind is exactly as it should be.

julienetmum · 05/08/2006 15:44

Anchovy, a big concern of mine about dd's otherwise excellent private school is that they Biff and Chip.

I shall be carrying on with Jolly Phnics at home as long as dd enjoys it rather than do the "required" so many minutes a night shared Bif and Chip reading

sallystrawberry · 05/08/2006 15:51

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Lottelou · 05/08/2006 16:28

A good encouragement I found was to kick-start them on something they like - eg dd is 6 and can do 'Spongebob Squarepants' VERY slowly, but it worked (topical as I have just cancelled SKY who is the S.B. provider...boy will there be S.B.-style emoting tomorrow......

Gobbledigook · 05/08/2006 16:56

Hmc, ds1 could not read a thing when he started reception last September. By Easter he was reading 'year 2' reading books. It's 'scary' how well he can read from just one academic year at school. They do Jolly Phonics at his school adn I can't rate it highly enough.

Ds2 is 4 in NOvember so not muchyounger than your dd - he is nowhere near reading anything other than his name. He's got anotehr year before school of course but he's the same age.

Don't worry about it!

maedhbh · 06/08/2006 13:35

As I'm in Dublin, maybe its different/less pressurised here? But ds could not read when he started school at 4 3/4, couldnot read either at end of first year but at end of second year is reading... think they'll do it at their own pace. Other thing is that if they do read well when they start school,they're going to have to sit through a lot of letterland/phonics or whatever, while the teacher starts from basics to ensure all kids learn basics... So I wouldn't worry!

electrica77 · 28/08/2006 18:44

hello, this is my first post on MN!

I just thought I'd add to the discussion that I'm 30, so started school in 1980, and my dad taught me to read before I started school. He started on flashcards when I was 2, and when I joined the first year of infants (sorry have no idea what that is in current system except I was 5), I had read almost every book they owned or was too advanced. Consequently they put me on the last year of junior books (eg 10 yr olds). By age 9 I had read two thousand books ranging from Peter and Jane (!) to the more complex stuff and had a reading age of at least 14. I know this because Dad kept a record of everything we read (my brother also started at 2).
I suppose what might interest people about this, is what consequences this had for me in my life. Well, I went to a very small village primary school and they never seemed quite confident in handling my abilities. I think that these days I would probably be classified as G&T, but in those days it was more a case of 'er....oh you've read this too? er...hang on...er...help!'. My parents didn't really push to have me put up a year, perhaps because they didn't know they could, but i think that would have been more logical for me than being stuck doing stuff way below my ability range and getting increasingly bored. Teachers seemed a little bit uncomfortable with me. I knew the answers to a lot of stuff in infants (not so much in juniors) and this led to a situation where other kids would come to me for help rather than the teachers, and also to me constantly questioning teachers and why we did things. Not in a bad way, I was always the good girl (very Hermione!) but I was thirsty for more knowledge all the time. I think they experimented with putting me into an older maths class but I didnt cope well as they just didnt explain things to me or help me. I remember being left on my own a lot and I've sometimes felt as an adult that this has impeded my social progression- I find I don't really understand the ynamic in large groups and prefer 1-1 time with people, although this may have happened anyway. I also remember being asked to read to the other children on occasion when the teacher wanted to step out of the room for a minute. In short, the school were pretty unsupportive, and this continued when I decided to apply for grammar school later on (I got in as one of 30 girls outside the catchment area) and they advised me not to as the other girls weren't. It often seemed that they resented me. I think in later life I've realised that the lack of experience of the school with kids like me led to me being underdeveloped and bored a lot of the time, and although I wasn't disruptive, I formed a certain laziness and ambivalence like 'i know I can do it so why bother trying?'. I've now got a 2.1 degree in English Lit, but I didn't revise at all, or indeed read any of the course texts except one, so i could almost certainly have got a first (I did get a few on individual bits of work but i just never pushed myself to do more, and it was a rough time as my Dad died and bf dumped me in the middle of finals lol). I just have an ability to skim read the salient points, absorb, and understand (my dad had a photographic memory). I got a B in my Sociology A level after not attending any classes all year and then spending 3 days with dad just cramming info. I also have a near perfect spelling capability (bad typist tho lol) and an instinctive understanding of grammar (usually just write a huge block when posting tho).
I honestly think that if my teachers had had the desire/capability/resources to develop me more at a young age, I would have maintained my love of education and reading and would probably have ended up at Oxford or similar, but as it was it all just became a bit lukewarm for me. I certainly haven't done badly for myself, but I always feel that I could have done that 10% more. I don't even have any real respect for my degree because it came too easily and I didn't try and excel, whereas other people I know really worked for their grades. I feel a bit like I cheated, even though I didnt.
I think for my Dad, who had grown up in a 2 roomed tenement building in Motherwell, it was important that we do well so we could better ourselves through education. He had gone to grammar school, and after a brief stint in the Navy he went to nightschool to do his O levels and A levels and leave the warehouse he worked in packing bananas, to become, eventually, a senior civil servant. Unfortunately he died before I finished my degree. He wasn't competitive, he just wanted the best for us.
My partner and I are now expecting our first baby, and I will definitely try to teach him as soon as possible to read, for his own enjoyment and advancement but i think I might try to be a bit more balanced about it, make other subjects equally important, and respond more to his enjoyment or otherwise. These were things Dad didn't really do and became a stumbling block with my brother who has consequently refused to sit an exam of any kind. If he turns out to be G&T i will do everything in my power to ensure he gets the right level of stimulation and can fulfil his potential properly, but I'm not going to be all competitive- my parents always said they would be happy as long as we were happy and tried our best, and I think thats more valuable than forcing kids to learn things and worry about tests. I do feel that I couldn't leave it to a school to teach him to read though, I just wouldn't feel like i was being a good parent. I don't mean to offend anyone with that, its just how I was brought up I guess. I feel that its my responsibility first and foremost to educate him in the basics (I'm a bit stuck when we get to science and geography!). I also gained so much from having those skills, despite the difficulties that I wouldnt want him to miss out. I loved reading and still do. It gave me an inquiring mind and a confidence early on that no one can knock out of me.
Anyway that all came out as a bit of a longwinded rambling, but just thought I'd add it as some people don't seem to believe that either a) kids can read before 4, or b) that they have the inherent skill to teach their own kids. I think if you want to, go for it, kids are like sponges at that age, and it can help them academically (provided the school isn't useless like mine was!). You don't need to do it in a particular order or have a qualification, you can just pick up a book and start. Its a great way to bond too.

Twiglett · 28/08/2006 18:49

gawd electrica .. whilst your post is difficult to read because of the lack of paragraphs I think I get it

I am shocked at your conclusion that you will push your child to read early as it seems you haven't really benefitted as an individual due to your background

sorry if I've misunderstood .. I did find it difficult to read without losing my place tbh

Gingerbear · 28/08/2006 18:57

I don't think it matters. DD started showing an interest in letters and CVC words earlier this year, but is bored by them all now, so I am not pushing it. Of course she will be reading by the end of reception HMC!!

MarsLady · 28/08/2006 19:05

She'll be fine. It's DD2's birthday today so she was literally days past 4 when she started school. She reads beautifully. It comes to them eventually..