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How does the law apply to dvd's at school? (COD?)

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unicorn · 17/07/2006 20:34

Because dd (yr 2 age 7) has told me that they may be watching the first Pirates of the Caribbean as a 'treat' on Wednesday.
Now, isn't the classification of this a 12a?
So, surely this is totally inappropriate, and possibly illegal?

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SoupDragon · 17/07/2006 20:36

12a isn't a 12 though, it';s lower than a 12 I think but an adult must be present?

SoupDragon · 17/07/2006 20:36

"12A, which means you can get into the cinema if you're under 12, but only if there's an adult with you to say you can handle the film."

SoupDragon · 17/07/2006 20:37

So it's Ok if you give your permission.

nutcracker · 17/07/2006 20:37

Dd1's class watched this near the beginning of the year as they were doing a project on pirates but they only watched the non scary bits apparently.

12A though means they can watch with an adult doesn't it ? So probably not illegal, but I would have thought they might check with parents if they are going to be watching the whole thing.

glassofwine · 17/07/2006 20:38

My DD is in year 2 and I wouldn't be happy for her to see that film - I think it would scare her - I'd speak to the teacher.

Marina · 17/07/2006 20:43

Hmm, I'm quite liberal on what I let ds read but I wouldn't want him watching either Pirates of the Caribbean film at the age of 7.
The BBFC is FAR more relaxed about certification these days and must have come under heavy pressure from Disney to make the film a PG and thus hugely increase the audience and the merchandising. The BBFC clearly felt aspects of this film weren't suitable for many under 12s and what they say goes in our house.
Can imagine a lot of the film is fine - but I think there are a couple of specific scenes.

fattiemumma · 17/07/2006 20:44

i dont think its too scarey for an older 7 year old.
the only real scarey bit is when the head baddy comes out of the shadow and you find out he's a skeleton..the rest is just funny i think.

if you dont think your DD would enjoy the film you could perhaps mention it to the teacher...there must be an alternative for those whose parents dont give permision.

nutcracker · 17/07/2006 20:45

Meant to say Dd was in year 3 when they watched it.

Dd2 will be going into year 2 in sept and I don't think she'd watch it.

roisin · 17/07/2006 20:46

I don't know about the legalities, but I think any primary school, and certainly any infant school showing anything other than PGs is asking for trouble .. ie parents complaining.

We took group of 11-13 yr-olds to Germany last week; on the coach we refused to show anything 'higher' than a 12/12A, preferably PG.
The kids watched The Incredibles and Nemo and loved them

Marina · 17/07/2006 20:49

I think The Incredibles is an example of a film working on many levels though Roisin
Ds has been whingeing incessantly about Pirates lately but he will still sit rapt with dd while we watch Stuart blooming Little 2 again for the nth time...

hulababy · 17/07/2006 20:51

If you think about it really the school shou;ld get permission or at least pre-warn parents of anything above a U rating film at this age. PG means parental guidance - so the school ought to be checking on this with parents first.

I don't really think a 12A is suitable for this age group.

Bink · 17/07/2006 20:57

roisin, you sound as if you not only survived but had a good trip??

The Incredibles also useful for older brothers needing to explain the concept of fiction: "Mr Incredible can pick up a train, yes, but that's because he isn't true."

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unicorn · 17/07/2006 21:04

well I am sure dd would be ok with it, but personally I think it is a parental decision, not a school one. There will undoubtedly be kids in the class who will be scared - surely a classification system should serve some purpose?
I think I will have to say something - as there are plenty of other films that they could watch - and also I want dd to watch it with us, not some hyped up 7 year olds.

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Xena · 17/07/2006 21:09

ds1 (8yrs) has watched this film but I would have expected some children to find it scary and some just not to enjoy it.. it doesn't have the same qualities as shrek or the incredibles imo

cece · 17/07/2006 21:10

I work in a juniors school and only ever show U films, not even PG. All the kids moan but there is no way I would show anything other than a U.

shoppingsecret · 17/07/2006 21:15

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AbbyLou · 17/07/2006 21:17

I teach Year 1 and 2 and we are only allowed to show children U films, not even PGs. You are meant to get parents permission for each individual film you show that is a PG but need no permission for a U. For us it would be a logistical nightmare trying to get all the permission slips back so it's Us are nothing!

peasinapod · 17/07/2006 21:19

Its a really long film over 2 hours .

southeastastra · 17/07/2006 21:21

they will all be sad if they can't see it now they've been told

roisin · 17/07/2006 21:22

[quick hijack - apologies]
Bink: trip was fantastic - absolutely superb. The children were all extremely well behaved, punctual, and a credit to themselves. My rusty German stood up well to the task and I even learned some new words! The tour leader (my boss) was exceptionally impressive ...
and I did my bit cleaning up sick and comforting homesick children in the middle of the night

My boss has said I'm very welcome to go next year if I want - and miss the last week of school again. Hooray!

nikkie · 17/07/2006 22:20

I am in secondary sn and we do show 12a/go to cinema for 12a films but KS3 have to have signed permission slips or the child stays at school/or the film doesn't go on

kipper22 · 18/07/2006 11:52

I thought that the law said that in a primary school you had to have parental permission for anything other than a U - I know I wasn't allowed to show my class Toy Story!

blackandwhitecat · 18/07/2006 17:57

I'm pretty sure that the normal certificates don't apply in an educational setting but it's good practice for a school to ask parental consent anyway. I think Film Education (www.filmeducation.org.uk I think) has more details. When I used to teach the horror genre at sixth form level (still in loco parentis at a sixth form college unlike FE) we showed 18 films all the time on that basis and never had a complaint. I can also understand why schools may not ask for consent though because it's often this that sparks off the complaints rather than the film itself IYSWIM. I personally probably wouldn't be too happy about my Yr 7 child being shown a 12 film though. It's a bit different when kids are 16 and 17 and almost certainly watching 18 films anyway.

blackandwhitecat · 18/07/2006 17:59

Just realized you said aged 7. No, certainly wouldn't be happy with this. I also hate it when schools show videos (for treats) at the end of term unless it has a direct relation to the curriculum. It's pretty hard to then justify moaning about parents (or fining them) who take their kids on holiday just before the end of term if this is what the kids are missing.

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unicorn · 18/07/2006 19:26

quite agree blackandwhite, this week is really a write off in terms of anything remotely school work like - and given that reports have already been done, and abscence dates noted- I really do wonder..

Oh, and the Pirates DVD won't be shown - it was apparently the children who reckoned it had been chosen, but the teacher had not agreed at all.

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