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Map of English secondary schools by religious and socio-economic selection

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ErrolTheDragon · 03/12/2013 11:58

This of English secondary schools by religious and socio-economic selection map from the Fair Admissions Campaign may be of interest.

At a glance, the 'heat map' explains why people living in certain parts of the country may have particularly strong views on this issue!

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straggle · 10/12/2013 22:29

But isn't one of the criticisms by the Schools adjudicator that schools aren't even publishing their admissions policies in time so parents can't object to them within the deadline ? The Schools Adjudicator was scathing in her report:

'Schools that are their own admission authority have a responsibility to provide all the necessary information on their websites: it is more than time that they understood it is not an optional extra.'

weekendalmostover · 11/12/2013 09:29

straggle, yes, schools have been getting away with a lot in recent years. However, the latest admissions code introduced something significant .... the ability for anyone to complain about admissions arrangements, rather than just those directly affected (i.e. parents). That is why there has recently been some high profile complaints like this one.

The code sets out a strict timetable for raising complaints, otherwise there probably would have been more by now. Presumably there will be more next year. Schools are meant to publish their policies according to a certain timetable too, but if they don't then the adjudicator (or campaign groups) will only know about it if people complain.

LydiaLunches · 13/12/2013 21:06

I know of a grammar which is identified as 'Christian' but which (obv) selects on academic criteria not religious (a school can't select on both)

We have 2 state schools here that select by exam, gender, feeder school and baptism!

Erebus · 13/12/2013 22:55

Going back a bit; someone mentioned that maybe schools should decide on their own selection criteria based on the desires of the local community- but surely that would just make the 'selection by house-price' brigade more secure?

Another point made is the idea that a school is 'bad' because it doesn't have a high enough percentage of DC on FSM or enough EAL DC- well, where I am, they'd have to search a fair way out to find enough FSM DC, and as for EAL- well (controversy alert) there are dozens of non-white DC at my DSs' school, but at home they speak the 'language of education', if you like, i.e. English. There sub-continental DC speak English with their parents, thus skew the stats as they are definitely 'effnick' but not EAL!

ErrolTheDragon · 13/12/2013 23:09

We have 2 state schools here that select by exam, gender, feeder school and baptism!

Oh, I thought the rules had changed - I know a couple of CofEs round here used to have some selection/aptitude tests but don't any more, I'd heard it was because they weren't allowed to any more but perhaps I was misinformer. One of those still does select using 'points' from a combination of church attendance, feeder school and - probably uniquely - whether the parent is a widow(er).

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straggle · 13/12/2013 23:10

I think EAL is starting to be a redundant measure. All the stats I've seen exams and testing suggest it's the smallest gap to close (compared to deprivation, area, gender), and bilingual children often have even more learning potential.

Erebus · 17/12/2013 14:52

I'm inclined to agree re EAL as it's not clear what possible outcome it's supposed to predict. Yes, I can see why FSM might be a strong indicator of possibly less able parents purely in that, statistically, if they don't earn enough to pay for their DC's school meals, they maybe haven't done that well in Life's Great Race; whereas EAL DC come from families where, often (but yes, not always), someone has uprooted a family and hauled them away from everything they know in order to 'better' themselves. Those DC may well have quite strong motivators towards success.

ErrolTheDragon · 17/12/2013 15:46

My guess is that as with the FSM, the EAL gives some clue about the 'social cohesion' factor, rather than anything to do with outcomes. It probably isn't the best metric but it's the one which is available.

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straggle · 17/12/2013 22:01

Grammar schools have a higher proportion of EAL speakers than secondary modern schools. I think there's also a stereotype that EAL speakers = deprived immigrant groups, when in fact they could be rich Europeans and aspirational middle class Indians, Chinese, etc. - some ethnic groups represented more than others. So EAL as a measure is just as likely to represent an advantaged intake as disadvantaged. There are some statistics in this briefing.

Much bigger gap for SEN though. Would have been a better measure than EAL.

ErrolTheDragon · 17/12/2013 22:16

Yes, it might be good to have the SEN variances mapped too, those should be available.

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TheOriginalSteamingNit · 17/12/2013 22:24

I have some thoughts on this which I'll express tomorrow when on the laptop and can see map!

ErrolTheDragon · 17/12/2013 22:34

Note that the first link I attempted was a fail!

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straggle · 04/03/2014 23:23

There you go, I knew the EAL measure is not an obstacle or a sign of disadvantage:

www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10676475/Pupils-with-English-as-a-second-language-outperform-native-speakers.html

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