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WHAT??? Banning Packed Lunches!

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MojitoMagnet · 12/07/2013 06:50

So apparently Packed Lunches are likely to be banned!

guardian article

I suspect the main reason is to drive down the cost-per-meal for school dinners. The idea that anyone should be able to dictate what my child eats is so repugnant I'm lost for words. By all means give schools the power to intervene if a particular child is regularly sent to school with a bag of crisps and a mars bar, but taking the choice away from everyone else is ridiculous!

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aamia · 12/07/2013 17:50

*for allergies (tired!!)

BasilBabyEater · 12/07/2013 18:12

Yes Franca, but for many of us, if they really were introduced, it would be a massive, serious blow to our household economy and the means-tested freebies we're always told we'd be entitled to, do not exist.

That assumption that if you are living on or around the poverty line, then you must be entitled to free meals etc., is one of the most widespread and inaccurate assumptions there is. It's always used in these types of arguments as if it's some kind of panacea; if you can't afford xyz,it's OK there's a safety net. Except there isn't, as most poor people work in the cash economy and don't claim (and are not entitled to claim) the benefits which entitle them to xyz.

Sorry I keep droning on about this, but £100ish a month for some people represents a significant percentage of their income after having paid the fixed costs like council tax, utilities etc. For many people, the only leeway they've got in how much they need to spend each month in order to buy extra stuff (like clothes, new shoes, entertainment etc.) is in their food bill; so if they got this extra fixed cost for their children's school food, then that cost would actually impact on the amount of money they would have available to spend not only on the extra stuff, like entertainment or whatever, but actually on the food budget for the family as a whole. That just flies in the face of financial logic. For many poor people in the UK who are in paid work, they can afford to give their kids decent meals at home, but the irony is that that would actually become harder if the govt insisted that they would do it for us at school and charge us more for it than if they left it to us to organise. How mad would that be?

Betty5313 · 12/07/2013 20:41

I'd be interested to see how much nutrition is left in a lot of school dinner veg by the time it has been overcooked and left to keep warm.

I'm concerned how they will cater for allergies. Dd is allergic to milk, soya and legumes. there wasn't one meal on our council's four week menu that she could eat.

Francagoestohollywood · 12/07/2013 21:01

I understand Basil. I haven't lived in the Uk for 5 yrs, therefore I am not up to date with regards to costs etc.
Here, if the family income is below a certain level (admittedly very low) schools dinner are free. And then there are 2 different fees depending on the income.

Francagoestohollywood · 12/07/2013 21:03

Lots of fresh vegetables are offered here Betty. And fruit as pudding. They have 2 times in 3 weeks when they are given muffins.

HouseAtreides · 12/07/2013 21:10

DD1's school meals are £2 bloody 55 a day and she rarely eats much because it's unimaginative and not very tasty. How often can they serve up meat-in-sauce with plain rice and mixed veg ffs?

exoticfruits · 13/07/2013 07:22

I know one school that has wonderful,cheap, nutritious, locally sourced meals. They are so good that the teachers eat them! Parents and grandparents can also book themselves in and eat with their child. All schools would have to be of that standard. You can't have substandard meals and force take up. I think most of the country has the substandard ones. The staff certainly don't eat them. The test to me is - do teachers choose to have them because they enjoy them?

Svrider · 13/07/2013 07:34

I'd like my DC to have dinners, but there are two main issues

  1. In the recent sunny weather those with packed lunches have been able to have a picnic under the trees
Those on dinners remain cramped in the school hall I know which I'd choose!
  1. The school are going onto a pre payment system
£10 to load it up (I have 3 DC, so that's £30) As soon as its used and drops below £10 another £15 is automatically taken from your bank account So £75 then Err may be not
creamteas · 13/07/2013 15:46

I love all these posts extolling the nutritional value and needing to keep control of their own children's' lunches.

You do all know that kids trade lunchbox items all the time, don't you? Oh and most DC are savvy enough to know to return the crisp wrapper to its original owner for the 'rubbish home' routine Grin. (I had the moral dilemma of telling or not telling once after seeing a friend's strictly vegan son eating a peperami.....)

At primary my kids all had school lunches and really enjoyed them. My two with ASD tried lots of new foods which they would never do at home.

Unfortunately there are no kitchens at their secondary school, so it is packed lunches only. This also means that the kids entitled to a FSM get a pack of sandwiches, which is scandalous IMO.

Personally I would insist on school meals for all, but I would also make them free for all (and before anyone asks, yes I would pay more taxes for this are lots of other things).

If we are really serious about improving children's health, that is the way to go.

steppemum · 13/07/2013 16:56

creamteas - not at our school, strict no share policy, eat your own, and they enforce it(partly because of allergies I think)

Also, agree about the picnic - ds hasn't had any school dinners this term, because he can picnic under the trees and then run off, instead of traipsing back down to school hall and line up.

That does actually raise a plus point, there is a lat of 'I don't want dinners because my friend is packed lunch and we want to play together' If all were in the same boat that would be easier.

I have noticed that a lot of the media comment about this immediately says 'fizzy drinks and crisps' in lunch boxes etc.
Every school I know has a no fizzy drinks policy, and most kids at our school bring water.

creamteas · 13/07/2013 17:48

strict no share policy, eat your own, and they enforce it

The same as my DCs primary school, but the trades just happened more secretly than before.

I agree that the social organization of eating (separating pack lunch eaters from the dinners in time and space) is a major contributor to how children feel about the eating at school. This is probably a bigger factor for them than the quality of the food.

exoticfruits · 13/07/2013 18:27

People are incredibly naive if they think the 'strict no share policy' is adhered to! Certainly not by upper juniors. My mother or teachers never knew what we did with food at that age and we were never stupid enough to enlighten them, or get caught!

exoticfruits · 13/07/2013 18:28

My DCs wanted packed lunches because they got out to play quicker.

TheOriginalSteamingNit · 13/07/2013 18:31

Mine wanted packed lunches because you got more food in them!

I don't think most secondaries even have the space for everyone to have a lunch in house anyway, so unless Gove is going to build everyone a big canteen, it's all a bit silly.

I don't think it will happen, anyway.

IThinkOfHappyWhenIThinkOfYou · 14/07/2013 09:16

My ds doesn't share because of allergies but if he did (and didn't have allergies) I don't think I'd be all that bothered. I give him a decent lunch but it's only one of the meals he eats that day and it's the smallest. I think the chances of finding 3 people a day who are willing to swap their cake/crisps for one of his pieces of fruit and veg are fairly slim and if he has a few crisps a week then so what? If he had the £12 a week school dinner what''s to stop him swapping the mashed potato (he doesn't like potato, it's on the menu 13 days out of 15) for extra pudding, assuming the school is awash with people willing to trade their goodies.

cory · 14/07/2013 09:28

School lunches will never provide a healthy meal for children as long as they limit themselves to one healthy option.

That is putting the burden of their nutrition onto 4-5yos. And they are not notorious for their ability to foresee longterm consequences.

The only way this could ever work is if it was run as it is on the Continent, where all the options are healthy options.

Pyrrah · 14/07/2013 17:53

The London Borough of Southwark has opted to provide free school lunches for every child in the borough.

I think you can still opt for a packed lunch in some schools, but I've never seen anyone take one into DD's school.

Worth lobbying your local council - if Southwark (one of the most deprived areas in the UK) can afford it, then so could plenty of others. Although I suppose that the high number of kids already on FSM in Southwark means it doesn't cost much more supplying them for everyone else...

TheSecondComing · 14/07/2013 23:16

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Talkinpeace · 15/07/2013 11:30

pyrrah
Southwark can do it because they have such a high FSM percentage (funded as part of their funding agreement with central government) that adding in the other kids is no great shakes

for any area with low FSM they will have to find that money from somewhere - teaching hours or books or just cheap food

OddSockMonster · 15/07/2013 14:19

I'm glad it's not just us TheSecondComing!

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