Does everyone realise about the 'action short of strike'?

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Just wondering what those who aren't employed in education know about the action short of strike that is starting from 26th September?

Do you realise that teachers from NASUWT and the NUT will basically be working to the letter of the terms and conditions? Do you have any think it will impact on the general public or just those within education given that the vast majority of instructions from the union are of not putting up with added extras demanded on us by SLT?

Just after opinions.....

Not sure I agree. There are many degree level jobs, with postgraduate professional training, that pay similar. DH is an engineer. He is paid more than me, but he is more senior and didn't have a 5 year career break. He pays people less than I earn...

I think it is quite well paid and in a secondary setting it is quite easy to get promoted. I earn less that I did previously in another sector but I have not factored in the 12 weeks I don't work . I managed to get promotions to earn 40k quite quickly and with relative ease.

What is on this list? (Most teachers at my DC's Primary are NUT/NASWUT, apart from 2 out of 17...who aren't my DC's teachers this year).

DS1 has a forthcoming trip that he is looking forward to, and both DS's attend teacher run after school clubs. If DS2's routine is upset by these clubs not being run, it will cause me massive issues (he has Autism).

Could someone please link me to this list of tasks?

I am quite sure it WILL affect the pupils in our school, as the amount of work the teachers have to do is astronomical. And there are at least 10 teacher run after school clubs every half term.

I appreciate the time they give up to run these clubs, as they are free and my DC's wouldn't get those experiences without the free teacher run clubs as I can't afford outside activities.

(Worried now.)

Who are all these teachers who are able to leave the premises at 4pm? I struggle to leave by 5.30 and still have to bring stuff home. And I'm in by 8am and work through the lunch hour. Don't mean to sound "woe is me," but that is my reality despite being a master at corner-cutting and multi-tasking.

I would say about 1/3 our staff leave around 4pm if not 1/2. Most will take work home . That flexibility is a huge bonus for a parent

the list of jobs, hopefully it works as I am in my iPhone in the rain !

I leave at about 5 and am one of the last. I do 3 hours ish a night as well. I am HOD of a Core subject, so I know about workload. Still think the holidays and regular hours are a godsend with children.

How do you take home meeting colleagues/parents for instance or putting up displays?

I arrive at school at 7am and leave at 6pm, I am just making the point that staff can leave at 4pm of they wish.

You do that in the hour after school (2 hours for me) presumably.

I've checked my job description and it doesn't say 'running clubs' in it.

If I am really busy my students put up my displays . Awaits flaming and accusations of shirking responsibility and slave labour

If you run a club without pressure from above you can continue running then as far ad I know . One of my clubs in particular I will run regardless as the children need it

Clam - I am one of those out the door by 4. But I work FT, I have an 18mo (back since he was 5.5mo last sept). And I work from 7-11pm every night.

That flexibility is brilliant. The pay is good enough for us now (no TLR), but if they move to regional pay we're truly fucked.

It's concerning that Wilshaw et al. seem to understand so little about teaching. Why is there this assumption that we're all workshy idiots? Every colleague of mine lives and breathes the job, does so much extra without even thinking. Ofsted, government and everyone else are truly deluded if they think we do everything between 9-3.

Not sure that being able to leave the premises at 4pm on the odd occasion one's workload might allow it quite makes up for all those teachers whose HTs would never allow them time-off to attend their own children's plays/assemblies/sports days etc..

I also wasn't aware that running clubs was in my job description (although I have run them every year for my entire career. I reserve the right to stop if I choose to, however).

I know basket that those of us who do 'technically' leave work at 4pm (or 3pm if you believe Wilshaw! ) more than make up for it at home later, but you can see how it fuels the myth that we are workshy idiots who are effectively part-timers.

But why is it even publicly discussed?

Parents, and even students, are being fed these myths by government and media. We are being undermined.

People (academics, MPs, I can't remember who exactly) have talked of raising the status of teachers in the UK to encourage the respect that is held by educators in other countries. But it's not being done. I don't mean changing pay or qualifications, just the perception of the job.

We need to do for teaching whatever VW did for skoda!

If only education wasn't used as a political tool. Everyone uses banks, or roads, can't we batter those industries instead?!

I am a part timer and I'll still be doing a good few hours' work later today. I think I once worked out that I was usually working a 40 hour week between school and home which is what I was doing when I worked full time in industry (in fact I think that's classed as full time hours) but I'm actually only paid for 3 days a week.

When I was full time I basically had no life in term time.

I don't think many professional full time workers have much of a life beyond work in the week.

I work for a few hours at the weekend like other professionals , I refuse to do anymore because I live and breathe my family .

The only professionals I know who don't have much of a life outside work get paid far more than teachers.

I also know many who work a lot less and still get paid more!

My DH is on better money than a teacher and rarely works in the evenings. He also leaves work bang on time and never does overtime.

I think the pay is fine, about right. I consider some other people to be overpaid! I find it great that I can get in early and leave fairly early. That suits our family, as DH does the opposite. I don't see why I should have to be in the school building to do my work unless I have to. Employers are supposed to be becoming more flexible, not less.

DH is an engineer, and though he works fewer hours than me in the evenings he still works. And weekends. And he goes for a away for several nights at a time (used to be far more, but changed job when we had children). As I said, he is paid more, but has more experience and responsibility. And less holiday.

You see, on MN people say that everyone works evenings. In RL, I know 2 groups who work evenings routinely. Barristers and teachers. Other friends do it occasionally, for example at year-end. A few others WAH, so do it then rather than in the day. I don't have a problem with it. I see it as payoff for my holidays.

Not much to add that hasn't already been said but I would like to point out that lots of teachers do use childcare just like other workers.

My two are at a childminders before school (from 8) and after school till gone 5 every day.