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Class and Education - Lampl

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Xenia · 15/09/2012 21:41

In today's FT:

Break down the barriers in English education

By Sir Peter Lampl

English schools are undergoing another major shake-up as Michael Gove removes them from local authority oversight and introduces a broader range of providers. No wonder, then, that the first fortnight of the new school year has been a turbulent one. Many headteachers are angry that Ofqual, the exam regulator, regraded GCSE English papers downwards midyear. Teaching unions are threatening a work-to-rule protest over pay and pensions. And many more schools have become academies, with more control over funding, governance and the curriculum.

This is the battleground of English education. But another piece of news this week was even more significant. On Tuesday the OECD reported that our schools were the most socially segregated among advanced economies. This underlines the biggest problem facing England?s schools: the close relationship between family income and how good a school a child goes to. The result is that children from poorer backgrounds have fewer opportunities to move up the ladder.

English education has improved under successive governments. Standards of teaching, and especially school leadership, are better. There have been significant improvements in London schools, particularly for some ethnic communities. But this is not good enough. We have to outpace other economies, particularly in Asia, that have improved faster. The UK languishes in 25th place in the OECD?s league tables for reading and in 28th place for maths, where Shanghai is now the best in the world. This does not reflect the position of all our young people. Rather it is a stark reminder that levels of social mobility have worsened since the 1960s and remain very low, despite government investment and reform in education.

I believe one reason for this is that governments have focused on structural reform, such as creating academies or free schools, rather than on improving teaching. Yet it is good teaching that really matters. Teachers? salaries account for four-fifths of a school?s costs and this reflects the value they deliver. Research by McKinsey has shown that the world?s best-performing education systems are those with the best teaching. The OECD now rates leadership in English schools highly, but we still have much more to do to improve teaching.

First, we need to attract more of the best graduates to the classroom. Ten years ago I helped establish the Teach First programme in England, modelled on the successful Teach for America programme. Teach First is recruiting almost 1,000 graduates this year from top universities, including Oxford and Cambridge, to teach in inner-city schools for a minimum of two years. Approximately half then leave to pursue other careers.

It has been a great success. But with 36,000 teachers recruited each year, it is only a part of the solution. In Finland and South Korea there are 10 applicants for every teaching place. Here we regard it as a success if every place is filled.

Even more important will be to improve the quality of the existing 440,000-strong workforce. Sutton Trust research shows that English schools could move into the world?s top five education performers within a decade if the performance of the least effective 10th of teachers were brought up to the average.

While improving teaching is crucial, we also have to address inequality in our education system, which has a substantial cost to society and the economy, since it prevents many of the most able children from non-privileged backgrounds from achieving their potential.

The best schools in England are world-class. But they are also socially exclusive. Seven per cent of English pupils go to fee-paying independent schools, which are out of reach for the rest of the population. Another 4 per cent attend the remaining selective grammar schools, which draw just 2 per cent of their pupils from the poorest households. The top-performing comprehensives ? mainly faith schools and comprehensives in well-off areas ? take just 6 per cent of their pupils from the poorest households. This compares with a national average of 16 per cent.

We should address this inequality in three ways. First, we should use random ballots to determine admissions to our urban secondary schools, rather than basing admissions on how close you live to the school or how religious you are. This would ensure a good social mix. Second, grammar schools should select more fairly, attract able students from poorer backgrounds and provide them with the extra help that better-off pupils get in prep schools or from private tutors.

Third, we must open independent day schools to all. Their students are 55 times more likely to win an Oxbridge place and 22 times more likely to go to a top-ranked university than a state school student from a poor household. The absence of poorer students from these universities is a shocking waste of talent.

My independent day school was totally funded by the local authority. Indeed, seven out of 10 independent day schools were principally state funded until 1976 through the direct grant scheme and local schemes.

Between 2000 and 2007, I co-funded a pilot scheme at Belvedere, an independent girls? day school in Liverpool, replacing fees with admission based on academic ability. Parents paid according to means. As a result, a third of pupils paid no fees. Academic standards improved and it was a happy place for pupils of all backgrounds. Moreover, the cost per pupil was less than at the average state school.

More than 80 leading independent day schools would back such a state-funded scheme, which would benefit more than 30,000 able students, whose parents could not afford full fees. It would require selective admissions, which political parties oppose. Yet far from creating new selection, such a scheme would democratise existing selective schools and break down the barriers between the independent and state sectors.

Taken together, I believe that these measures to improve teaching and reduce inequality would transform social mobility and unleash a wealth of talent to fuel our economy. And they would put England in the education premier league.

The writer is chair of the Sutton Trust and of the Education Endowment Foundation "

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Silibilimili · 28/09/2012 08:44

math what made you make such a patriotic statement?!GrinGrin
Good morning all!!

breadandbutterfly · 28/09/2012 09:23

Of course,mathanxiety - but we should not forget the many great writers, playwrights, artists,fashion designers, popstars, filmmakers etc etc - maths and science are certainly a key part of our heritage but not the only part. People with gifts in other areas shoulld be encouraged to use them; Singapore, i believe, is changing its education system to try to emulate ours, and encourage creativity and not just rote learning of maths and acience.

Silibilimili · 28/09/2012 09:34

bread agree with you. We have a history of tremendous achievement and talent in all walks of life here in Britain. However, I believe with our education system, the answer lies somewhere between the rite learning of singapore and the playful learning of the uk. I think we in the uk have moved away a little from what we are really really good at (education). Things like spelling and times tables for example need a lot of repetitive practice. There really is nothing wrong in teaching it that way.
The increase in tuitions parents make children do here jn the uk should tell you we had education sussed and have now moved away from what we know and do really well to the other end of the spectrum.

This is similar to being aware and having a higher morality but then taking it too far (political correctness). But that's another thread.

We don't know when to stop!

aureata · 28/09/2012 09:43

This is just an anectode but perhaps food for thought.
My cousin is a maths professor, he is very high up in the maths world and his wife is a successful accountant. Their first born son was very academic until he hit 13/14 and they embarked on a huge fight to get him motivated to work and just generally apply himself. It was a daily battle, especially with things like maths & sciences, they tried everything to motivate him, punishments, rewards, etc...one day he turned round and said he wanted to choose art subjects for his GCSEs.

His parents were absolutely horrified and opposed it vehemently, especially as they thought it was just another ploy to get out of applying himself. The school was very supportive of his choice though so in the end the parents had to give up. The child was completely transformed from a moody, passive, bored, lazy teenager to a totally motivated child. They saw him transform! He now has a string of A*s and they feel sure he will do well whatever he chooses to do in that field. Yes art subjects are more competitive and sometimes less lucrative, but it all depends - if I was convinced that my children had a talent for arts (just as an example) I would let them give it a go.

Someone I was at university who did an art degree and went on to be the editor of a renowned magazine by the age of 28 and his career has flown since. I would say that you can achieve great things in any field if you are bright and very motivated. There is no point in forcing a child to do science or maths if they have zero interest and motivation in that subject. After all in anything you choose you need the drive and motivation to succeed, which has to come from within doesn't it?

Xenia · 28/09/2012 11:03

This is the difficult balancing act and the issue of peer over parent pressure too at times.

in the UK science is not better paid. Not by any strethc of the imagination. Your lawyers at the top on £1m - £2m a year never mind management consultants, bankers etc are very often arts graduates. Indeed the UK has had a bit of a downer agsinst those grubbying their hands on trade and not in professions. Engineers are very very badly under paid in the UK and yet are often very bright. Some move from academia or in companies to become patent attorneys and other professionals just to get their income up to reasonable levels. Obviously some found companies and some people very good at computers with whom I often work of course are good at science - a very very few of them found their own companies and make money. Some science/ maths people can be pretty successful - they may write the programs for their own hedge fund etc - is it qants? but actually often it is the clever arts people who can market, have contacts and good verbals skils who own and make the money whilst employing the drone like programmers who are brilliant but often have no interest in money (and why should they - we all pick our own priorities).

So I am not totally convinced science is the route into money in the UK as someone who has worked with scientists who moan about pay for 20 years.

However pick want you are good at. Someone who is my age sent me his CV yesterday . I dont' have a job for him. I looked first for his A level grades 9they are missing so he must have messed up or is a bit thick). Then I looked athwere did he go to unviersity - some ex poly Kent or something - so that confimed the dire picture. He does my sort of work. Then I looked at where he had worked. No compnay had kept him more than 2 or 3 years over 20 years so then you conclude he obviously cannot work with anyone.

Despite having several grade 8s a good few of our children who are all very musical picked sport as hobbies, disappointing to me as I love singing with them, accompanying them on the piano and I never voluntarily watch a sporting event of any kind even Olympics... BUT I don't mind. I want them to enoy what they like. I am not a Chinese tiger mother who says piano or violin are the only instruments etc.

However children certainly need some guidance. If they choose their only enthusiam is computer games which may well be what many teenagers shepdn 4 hours a day on and they might find they are a little hindered in terms of career progression than had they spent those 4 hours a day on something else.

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Silibilimili · 28/09/2012 11:18

xenia, have yet to digest your entire post but Engineers salaries are comparable (often even more) to doctors. Specially in the oil and gas industry.

Silibilimili · 28/09/2012 11:26

Depends really on what field of engineering too. Chemical engineers are the highest paid of the bunch, next to electronics and mechanical. The aerospace market took a tumble after 9/11 but seems to be perking up.
Computer or it engineers are too many hence salaries are not do great. But a number of people from my family will pull their nose up and say they are not even engineers!! Grin

Silibilimili · 28/09/2012 11:27

Agree with everything else you have said.

amillionyears · 28/09/2012 12:06

Computer games watchers-some turn out to be good designers of them,some partly like them for the programming side of things,some the artistic animation etc. Not all,obviously.
Hobbies often lead to jobs.

losingtrust · 28/09/2012 12:27

Out of my friends who are SAHMs and very rich, they all have Engineer husbands who earn a fortune and many work abroad and travel round as it is a great career for travelling. One of my Dad's friends who was recalled into work after retirement for one of the big motor firms was chased by that Company after he said twice no (already had a big FS salary pot) and eventually he gave in because they kept earning the salary - why? because there is a shortage of good engineers below the age of 40.

Again I do agree that kids should study what they have a passion for and get good results in it and no amount of pushing will make them study any harder. My own mother did not believe in university and did everything to persuade us to get a nice job in a bank with a mini and a house. We all did the opposite and went and did Arts subjects (although economics for part for me and older sis). My sister sat in front of the TV every night (our parents never pushed us not to do that and all homework done in front of TV, most meals also -No mumsnet then!) and she ended up working in TV because her knowledge so great. Admittedly most of us are in between but the more you try and persuade someone to do something other than their passion, the more they dig their heels in.

The funny thing was I ended up doing the same as my mother as Xenia has mentioned and worked in Finance but I had to make that decision myself after dismissing my previous ideas of PR, journalism etc which probably would have been more suited to my A Levels but reality sank in when I left uni in the last rececession which is happening to many kids today. Reality does kick in and better if you think of it than somebody else.

losingtrust · 28/09/2012 12:35

I would not not employe somebody because they had low A Level grades or a degree from a poor universities when they are in their 40s because everyone is entitled to that especially because the exams then were all based on how you felt on the day but I would not employ somebody who had no sticking power at that age. Their employment record would be more what I looked at. Having said that I got my current job because of where I did my degree as my boss had already been there. I have worked for myself and would definitely employ somebody who has done this (subject to the rest of the CV) because it shows somebody has gone out of their comfort zone. I am planning (and DD willing, DS not so) to help her set up a little part-time business when she is doing her A Levels as this helps kids really understand money and how business works far more than a Business Degree.

Xenia · 28/09/2012 13:02

I think A levels tell all. In the professions you need to be fairly bright and some who aren't sometimes sneak in lke this chap who didn't go to much of a university and hides his grades. The fact no one has employed him for longer than 3 years over 20 years makes me think he probably isn 't very bright either so that even if he had messed up his degree and A levels he wasn't very clever in the first place.

I certainly agree with chilren practising business and a lot of schools in state and private sectors encourage that with various schemes and clubs

I afraid this quote reflects what is my view on engineering pay, not what is above and the anecdotal evidence of eingineers looking at people sometimes not as bright as they are who are equity partners at Ernst & Young on over £1m a year and earn much more than engineers.

"Poor pay may also be a factor

Engineering is on course to become the worst-paid profession for graduates.

A survey by the Association of Graduate Recruiters found that the median graduate starting salary for a civil engineer in 2011/12 was £24,500.

This was ahead only of retail management from the professions surveyed, with the gap between the two closing to just £500.

The poll found that engineering and industrial job opportunities rose by 60% from 2010/11 to 2011/12. One in 10 vacancies in 2011/12 was in engineering or industrial companies.

However, less than 2% were for civil engineers.

The highest paid profession ? investment banking ? offers median starting salaries above £38,000."

www.nce.co.uk/news/business/students-shun-degrees-in-civil-engineering/8633266.article
July2012

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losingtrust · 28/09/2012 13:08

That is just civil engineering.

losingtrust · 28/09/2012 13:20

To be fair an equity partner at a top firm would earn more than a £1m per year but he/she would have sold their soul to get there. Acuaries also earn potential a £1m per year but I have worked with many millionaires and most ran their own businesses. It does depend how much you put in. For many worklife balance is more important but each to their own motivation.

Silibilimili · 28/09/2012 14:04

xenia, as a 'contractor' jn the oil and gas industry, (20years experience), my hourly rate is £95/hr. I work for a large firm.
Have probably outed myself here.
Oh, and I am just 'middling'. There are better paid people than me.
Currently, from where I sit, I can spot a BMW z3, an Audi, a jaguar, a couple of m1s and a Ferrari.
Most of my colleagues children go to private school. One colleague has 2 at st Paul's.
I work with mechanical, civil and electrical engineers on projects around the world.

The key is being good with people and being flexible. Talking what life offers you instead of saying, I only like music and therefore I will not gain any other skills and that's all I will do. No plan B. see the problem?

Oh, and our graduates start off on Gbp 35k/year min.

Silibilimili · 28/09/2012 14:10

Banking is of course lucrative however, only a tiny tiny % end up there. Most in banking are what I would call glorified secretaries or administrators. They earn maybe same as me but really have to put in the hrs.
A very good friend of mine works for a well known bank. Earns what I do when bonus comes in but these are never certain. Her 'normal' salary is gbp55k/ year.

Silibilimili · 28/09/2012 14:25

Oh yes, and I am an engineer. Grin

Xenia · 28/09/2012 16:20

Contractors earn reasonably well but the hourly rates of management consultants, accountants, lawyers are well well over £95 an hour although I am not trying to belittle £95 an hour. I am just saying I have met many engineers employed by companies who look on professionals with wonder and think it rather unfair. I always qutie like givintg talks to engineers as they are bright and ask good questions but I have never really addressed any who earn more than I do ever.

I certainly agree with the comments above that consultants, contractors, professional advisers earn much less than those few who are successful in business and then sell a business. Better that you find and buy and then sell your oil in Russia than be an adviser to that if you want to make a very large amount.

Also it is hard to generalise across any careers. Many female doctors on mumsnet who are GPs do not have high salaries as they do not own the practice, just hired hands. Plenty of "accountants" aren't equity partners at E&Y. Lots of barristers eke out a living at legal aid rates. Most teachers areon X not the sums the rare few heads of schools they are turning around on £100k might be earning. So I suppose the question is on the whole what do people in this group earn rather than what do thoe at the top earn, which career of those I might enjoy, is the one where there is a good chance I will earn the sums I feel I need and all graduates know this - they see their friends who love art going to work for Sotheby's for virtually nothing and others going off to work in banks on £50k.

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Silibilimili · 28/09/2012 17:31

I think on the whole engineering salaries are generous. If the national average wage is what £24/26 k per year, then engineers are not doing too bad. That was my point. And it will not take a miracle to get into either. It does not take papa to know the boss of Sotheby's to arrange work experience. You really have to be bright. Grin
The salaries are great, the job satisfaction is immense. One does not even have to even own a screw driver! You can progress on to be a very good management consultant etcetc. The possibilities are endless. It is not like certain professions that you have to sell your soul for the salaries either.
There, my sales pitch over.

rabbitstew · 28/09/2012 18:12

Silibilimili - you don't have to do the sales pitch on me. I would be absolutely delighted if one of my children chose to do engineering and it will (oh, alright, already has been, given that we have engineers in the family...) be mentioned to them in a very positive way as an option to consider... I think it's just the sort of thing that someone with the right type of brain could end up loving and living very well on, rather than doing just for the cash, and the amount you could earn on the back of that sort of qualification is very open ended, depending on what field you are willing to move into and where in the world you are willing to live.

Bonsoir · 28/09/2012 19:05

An awful lot of people who work in the city or management consultancy studied quantitative subjects - arts subjects are definitely not more likely to land you megabucks.

TalkinPeace2 · 28/09/2012 19:06

The consulting firm my sister used to work for before she got her current megabucks job, liked to hire engineering graduates as they had analytical minds for getting heads round companies at speed.

Bonsoir · 28/09/2012 19:09

Management consultancy is pretty heavy on Excel and number-crunching as well as general analytical ability - this would be quite for an arts graduate IMO. I never met a purely arts graduate when I was working in consultancy.

Bonsoir · 28/09/2012 19:09

quite a challenge

breadandbutterfly · 28/09/2012 19:50

Glad to hear that about engineering - my ds (6) has to be an engineer as I have never met anyone so interested in how things work - glad to hear you can earn a good living doing it too. And that it's not based on who you know etc. :)