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how do you not wrap your sn child up in cotton wool?

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mixedemotions123 · 16/03/2006 19:30

This is going to be a bit long winded, sorry!
My asd ds aged 7 is in yr2 at ms school. In yr r and yr1 he had the same small group of 5 children that he made friends with, and in lots of ways they were his role models as when he was unsure of things he would copy what they were doing etc. When he went into yr2,he was seperated from them all (the whole group stayed together in another class). At the time we spoke to the head expressing our view that it was the wrong decision and not going to help ds with his lack of confidence etc, and she said that he would have found any class difficult and was not prepared to put him back with the others as the class lists had all been finalised. In his new class there was only a couple of boys that he knew, and only 1 that I had ever heard him speak of and his name is George.
Since early on in his first term in YR2, my ds has been increasingly "bothered" (school words") by another child who also plays with George called Daniel. For whatever reason I do not know, but he has behaviour issues, and seems to find my ds an easy target, as he doesn't respond well to being pushed around etc, (schools words). My ds has come home from school numerous times with an injury,varying from a scratched arm, face, hand, to a nasty incident which involved having his arm injured with a pencil. (my ds called it a stab, but i don't want to be over dramatic) He has had his work screwed up and stamped on in the bin on one occasion too.
I have on numerous occasions spoken to his teacher, which resulted in the above comments, I have spoken to the senco, who suggested trying to set up a "safe place" where he could go if Daniel was bothering him, or if he felt anxious, which to date has never materialised. I have spoken to the Deputy Head who seemed to be very understanding, and assured me that he or another member of staff would try to have a little chat with ds when possible to see if Daniel had been bothering him. (Anxiety is a major issue with ds). To the best of my knowkedge this has only taken place a couple of times in the last 4 weeks. I have tried to warn ds to stay away from Daniel, but he doesn't seem to understand that if he wants to play with George, (his only familiar face in Yr2) it will usually involve playing with Daniel to as they seem to always be together. I spoke to his teacher again last night following yet another scratched face. She said "other than to put them in solitary confinment what else can she do). She also felt it necessary to point out that ds has to get used to having to face people "bothering him as it will happen throughout life". She sees it that my ds "chooses to play with George and Daniel" which feels to me that they are not getting any idea of how little my ds understands, and how his social skills are. All small group support, emotional literacy work my son has, Daniel has it too, therfore he never has much escape from him.
I accept that I am being over protective of ds, but I don't know how to help him with dealing with all of this. He is having a tough enough time trying to cope with his learning difficulties, without having all of this as well.
He needs help at school to understand that he can still play with his old friends from yrr and 1,even though he is not in the same class. The latest thing i have had from the head was a letter saying that class teacher had seen nothing significant to be a concern, and that they feel that it is in my ds best interest for class situation to remain as it is.
Somebody please tell me to stop worrying, as at the moment I CAN'T. It breaks my heart. Should we try to get SN school, leave him in MS, we just want him to be happy {sad}

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octavia · 16/03/2006 20:18

I really do understand what you are going through,I'm afraid we had to take out AS son out of school and put him into a small private school plus pay for extra support for him. He still has many difficulties particulary during playtimes/making friends but I haven't found the answer to that yet. No you can't wrap them in cotton wool but it doesn't make it any easier knowing that does itSadThe only thing I can think of that I would do is get a third party in, someone not connected to the school and get them to explain the difficulties . I know you have told them and that they should be able to see for themselves, but sometimes they take more notice of "other proffessionals".I am very lucky in that we were put in touch with a pyschologist that works with AS children , she has been a godsend to be honest.Hopefully the others mums will see your message soon, they seem a lovely helpful bunch with loads of advice.

PeachyClair · 16/03/2006 20:25

SNAP.

DS1 came home with a cut hand today as a result of exactly this situation. We have tried to deal with it on many occasions, ds barely sleeps now (he never did anyhow but now he says because of X) and cries each morning before school. School says DS antagonizes him but I have tried (and tried) to explain that DS doesn't get the social interactions, can only deduce teacher is thick and soesn't understand.

Would love to take him froms chool but cannot.

Not just ds1 either: childmnder can't give me details but she knows of another family with same problem, and ds2 (NOT sn, ds1 is as / hfa) has been rather severely injured by this kid.

Fwiw I DON'T think you are wrapping your child in cotton wool: we are all they have to re ly on and create a nice world for them to live in, it's a duty for us.

The scenario you have seems so, so similar- you have every sympathy XX

scotchlass · 16/03/2006 20:31

Hi, I don't think that you should stop worrying about this at all. My ds1 was in a similar situation at his last 2 schools(army life!!) and it is a common theme, I have found, for schools to put the blame onto the victim in bullying situations. I definately feel that your ds is being bullied and it is extremely heartbreaking. I don't think that his ASD is the reason for this as my ds does not have ASD and had the same thing done to him. He also was accused of choosing to play with the child who bullied him, which in a sense was true because if he didn't play football then he just had to sit on his own ( which the teacher said he should do!!) I kept speaking to her every night andeventually had to threaten to involve the police. I couldn't believe that it came to that because at his first school they managed to sort it out in 2 days.(same child) The way it was sorted was: ds had to go to the deputy head after each break to report any happenings and any during class time were to be reported immidiately and dealt with immidiately. The parents were also brought in and told the severity of the situation. The child then realised that he was no longer going to get away with it and it stopped very quickly. Sorry that has been so long but it broke my heart to read your message,as I know how you and your ds are feeling. Hope this helps, you just have to tell the school what you want them to do and that it will go further if it has to. MP's are always a good last resort.

scotchlass · 16/03/2006 20:32

Hi, I don't think that you should stop worrying about this at all. My ds1 was in a similar situation at his last 2 schools(army life!!) and it is a common theme, I have found, for schools to put the blame onto the victim in bullying situations. I definately feel that your ds is being bullied and it is extremely heartbreaking. I don't think that his ASD is the reason for this as my ds does not have ASD and had the same thing done to him. He also was accused of choosing to play with the child who bullied him, which in a sense was true because if he didn't play football then he just had to sit on his own ( which the teacher said he should do!!) I kept speaking to her every night andeventually had to threaten to involve the police. I couldn't believe that it came to that because at his first school they managed to sort it out in 2 days.(same child) The way it was sorted was: ds had to go to the deputy head after each break to report any happenings and any during class time were to be reported immidiately and dealt with immidiately. The parents were also brought in and told the severity of the situation. The child then realised that he was no longer going to get away with it and it stopped very quickly. Sorry that has been so long but it broke my heart to read your message,as I know how you and your ds are feeling. Hope this helps, you just have to tell the school what you want them to do and that it will go further if it has to. MP's are always a good last resort.

scotchlass · 16/03/2006 20:32

Hi, I don't think that you should stop worrying about this at all. My ds1 was in a similar situation at his last 2 schools(army life!!) and it is a common theme, I have found, for schools to put the blame onto the victim in bullying situations. I definately feel that your ds is being bullied and it is extremely heartbreaking. I don't think that his ASD is the reason for this as my ds does not have ASD and had the same thing done to him. He also was accused of choosing to play with the child who bullied him, which in a sense was true because if he didn't play football then he just had to sit on his own ( which the teacher said he should do!!) I kept speaking to her every night andeventually had to threaten to involve the police. I couldn't believe that it came to that because at his first school they managed to sort it out in 2 days.(same child) The way it was sorted was: ds had to go to the deputy head after each break to report any happenings and any during class time were to be reported immidiately and dealt with immidiately. The parents were also brought in and told the severity of the situation. The child then realised that he was no longer going to get away with it and it stopped very quickly. Sorry that has been so long but it broke my heart to read your message,as I know how you and your ds are feeling. Hope this helps, you just have to tell the school what you want them to do and that it will go further if it has to. MP's are always a good last resort.

scotchlass · 16/03/2006 20:33

Sorry I have done that so many times it said the website was not responding!

mixedemotions123 · 16/03/2006 20:36

We have a meeting planned for monday in school with senco, psychiatrist, and her collegue who specialises in asd. Hopefully the senco from Juniors will also be there as he starts there in september. At the moment he is adamant that he is not going, and keeps asking me if i will "get told off" if he doesn't go. Bless him.

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PeachyClair · 16/03/2006 20:42

Poor child Sad

Can you go, but leave him with someone he is happy to be with? I have to say, I am struggling emotionally with pulling Sam into these things: it can't be good for them. I think another mum on here, Jayzmummy, had similar concerns with hers.

mixedemotions123 · 16/03/2006 20:45

thanks scotchglass. It means a lot to know that complete strangers bother to take the time to respond to cries for help. My ds seems to feel that just because his old friends are in a different class, he no longer is allowed to play with them. The school noticed this at one point, and did try to link him back up with what used to be his closest friend. Not too long after, this "friend" had a football birthday party, and didn't invite my son, which was a bit harsh. He came up to me after handing out his invites and said "I haven't invited xxxxxx to my football party because he doesn't know the rules and would kick the ball the wrong way". Not afraid to admit i no longer encourage ds to play with him and at the time, came home and had a damn good cry.

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peachygirl · 16/03/2006 20:58

Hi I don't know if this would help but you could suggest they set up a 'circle of friends' where particular children are chosen to befriend your child and make an effort to include them in their games.
This may seem forced but as a SEN teacher I am shocked that he has been in a class since september but has not been encouraged to play with other children or vice versa.
\link{http://www.inclusive-solutions.com/circlesoffriends.asp\here}
This is a website with info on circle of friends I only just googled it.You may find more info yourself. It will tell you the basics but I have to say that the SENCO should know about this sort of strategy, it's has been around for a while and quite frankly it's not rocket science!
Wishing you lots of luck.

mixedemotions123 · 17/03/2006 07:18

peachygirl, thankyou so much for your info. I have just downloaded and printed off the information on circle of friends. As we have the meeting on Mon I will take it up with the senco, and see if it is something that they could put into place. It sounds like just the type of thing that could make all the difference, and would be fab for when he goes to Juniors in Sept too. You are right, it sounds like a simple solution to that specific area of difficulty that ds has, I don't know why nothing like this has already been set up,!

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