If a school excludes a pupil, should they have to sort out a PRU place?

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I'm pretty sure that when a school exclues a kid then they just wash their hands of them for that week / fortnight / whatever

But having just seen a known troublemaker walking along the road - his parents are at work during his exclusion presumably - I cannot see how excluding him to roam the streets can do anything but make him worse.

So, would it make sense that if a state funded school of any persuasion wanted to exclude a pupil it has to budget for the PRU place - at least then the child might get one to one support to solve the offending behaviour, rather than save it till they turn 16 and can be sent to prison?

Just a thought

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its not the style - its the fact that it is BRIGHT PINK - penelope pitstop style : a spectacular mane of it (I've seen it a few times and it is impressive)
the school let lots of stuff through but she is doing it to get attention solely

Mentor - yes, you are right, I might get a governor friend to quietly suggest it

Sounds great hair to me!
But she might be prevailed upon to tie it back for school and lessen the effect a bit, while she grows up a bit and sorts herself out.
But then again, I am a bit unorthodox as an educator, I suppose.

Not had a hair situation but with piercings we have kept kids in isolation til they are removed. I have known one kid hold out for a week - most crack in a few days. Or we readjust their timetable to run 1.30pm - 6pm in isolation. That is a killer and works well.

Alternatively, head and deputy could dye their hair the same colour, which would put her off entirely...

Nesbitt
that IS a creative timetable option for the isolation
and the daftest bit is that Gove wants to micromanage rather than allow those with constructive ideas to spread them

Yup, those AWFUL stretch earrings - once they get to 1cm they are JUST GROSS. DH was in a school recently and a girl had a peircing bar in her wrist. Yeuch.

Boffin I think I love you

abeisa - yep, when a child is permanently excluded the school is still charged, whatever the reason. Alot of schools temporarily exclude for just under 6 days and then have them back, or they may try a 'managed move' which basically means sending them to another mainstream school and they can deal (and pay for)with the problem!! No child should be left to just roam the streets, this would be the worst situation possible, but it happens very regularly as the parents are not too worried what they get up to. (although i try not to generalise)

It is an ever increasing problem and yes it costs alot of money to educate these pupils and the cost is increasing to the detriment of mainstream schools budgets. It is a big social issue that won't go away. But then again it is not fair on them or anyone else for them to stay in mainstream education.

The last time I looked (2010), if you permanently exclude a pupil and they are sent to another school by the Local Authority, the original school gets to keep that year's per capita funding even though the pupil has left, while the new school gets a new amount of per capita funding. That was one reason why you used to see academies turfing out pupils willy nilly. It may happen with free schools as well. Watch this space.

Thanks debs. I suppose from our viewpoint, there's parental relief at immediate expulsion for say knife-wielding/ solvent abuse, and a school shouldn't be hampered financially in taking decisive action of that sort.

"Turfing out willy nilly" must surely be subject to appeal? IME there is a lot of working with parents, social care and police services over children who make life a misery for others, but some acts call for immediate expulsion.

I'm not writing off the children in question, but anything else other than immediate explusion for such acts has worse outcomes for the other children in the school. Also a new start may be best for the perpetrators themselves. Obviously we're not talking hair colour or uniform issues here.

Academies were being a lot naughtier than that.

abiesa
the trouble with immediate expulsion is that those kids then hang around the school gate causing trouble
so then the school has to go to court to get extra orders
and the police get involved
and many will already have ASBOs
at least if they are kept within the learning environment, the causes of the behaviour can be addressed and they can keep on with routines - the lack of which may well be the initial cause of the bad behaviour

the estate that feeds my catchment school is rife with third generation unemployment and 4x4 mums (4 kids 4 dads) : factual not scurrilous.
school is the ONE thing that might break that cycle and it should be taken away only with a full consideration of the consequences.